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Who said that?

Who said that?

Ariana is a female angel.

Either the hero rescues the soul (normal rescue attampts), or the holder does (Son of God, NJ, Primary Objective).

We COULD erratta Primary Objective to say "Hero rescues" instead, but I don't think it is neccessary.

Unnecessary because "holder rescues" is fine, or unnecessary because only heroes can rescue?

Hey,

So...... have people really been ruling that Arianna cannot use Primary Objective to rescue the female-only LS when access is available because PO says "holder?"

That would be news to me.

Have people been playing Primary Objective on Arianna?  That would be news to me

I agree with Kevin Shride's position as expressed on the first page of this thread.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Arianna not being allowed to rescue the Female LS with PO would fit better with allowing her to rescue one in a site, especially if it's the holder doing the rescuing.

If it's the holder doing the rescuing, then you should be able to rescue any LS without a protect SA, regardless of site access, but you can't rescue any with a protect SA.  If it's the hero doing the rescuing, the hero has to have access - both site and through the protect SA, if needed.

Arianna not being allowed to rescue the Female LS with PO would fit better with allowing her to rescue one in a site, especially if it's the holder doing the rescuing.

I agree with what you are saying, but I was under the impression that allowing rescue of a site-locked LS was a new ruling. Have people been playing that Arianna could not use PO on the female-only before now? Have people been allowing site-locked LSs to be rescued by PO? I am more curious as to how this has been ruled in the past.

I normally would have allowed the Arianna rescue, but not the site-locked rescue. I am willing to accept the "new" ruling (for me) to allow the site-locked rescue, at the expense of the Arianna rescue. I was just wondering how many of us ruled one way or the other already.

That being said, I firmly believe that PO can target a soul in a site that the character PO is played on has no access to.  PO's wording is unlike any other enhancement's ability in that it specifically says that the holder rescues any selected lost soul.  It further says that the battle continues as a battle challenge, indicating that the battle has nothing to do with rescuing the lost soul.  Gabe disagrees and says the Hero must have access for PO to target the soul.

Am I right or is Gabe?

Kevin Shride

I agree with Kevin.

...PO's wording is unlike any other enhancement's ability in that it specifically says that the holder rescues any selected lost soul...

I agree with Kevin.

Rob, thank you for posting on this.  Just to be clear, are you saying that PO can rescue protected Lost Souls (like Female, NT etc) as well as souls in sites to which the Hero would not have access?

I believe that you can select a Lost Soul that is not available to the Hero (e.g. in a Site), but I do not think you can select a soul that has a restriction (e.g. female only says female Hero or Son of God.  A free grab with PO is neither of those things).

Right.