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that is because Silver trumpets is classified as a Tabernacle and Temple Artifact. look in the REG.

The following artifacts can be found regularly in the Tabernacle:(its at the very end of the list) ​...and The Silver Trumpets
(Pi)
The following artifacts can be regularly found in Solomon’s Temple:(its at the very end of the list)  ...The Silver Trumpets (Pi), ​and Windows of Narrow Light (P)

Silver Trumpets fits that definition to a T and it's almost like that part of the rule specifically targets Silver Trumpets.

How would it target that card in particular?  Look at the rest of the Temple and/or Tabernacle artifacts; the entire list is full of things the Priests would use or interact with regularly, basically everything there.

The thing is that we already had things to target or interact with those cards that were specifically used as part of the Temple or Tabernacle; what we did not have was something that would work with all those other random things you couldn't "prove" met those other definitions.

The definition of Priestly Artifact was designed to include those things more in the game, not to exclude anything.  I find it odd that you say this one card is "suspiciously missing" or that the 'omission' "specifically targets Silver Trumpets" when most of the other cards there meet your more broad definition, but I can tell you that we were definitely not targeting that card or any other combo associated (including with any other Temple or Tabernacle artifacts).

Pol, I answered your questions.  I don't know why you didn't want to listen, but I did answer them.

To repeat myself from a part of what I said that was not convenient for you to quote, every other temple artifact is furniture.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the definitions.  I didn't find it "inconvenient to quote," it simply does not apply.

There actually is no definition in the REG for Temple artifacts.

Well there actually is:

Temple Artifacts
Several Redemption® cards refer to artifacts that are “temple artifacts”. The reference to temple
is general and includes Solomon’s Temple, Zerubbabel’s Temple, and Herod’s Temple. All “Temple
Artifacts” are Solomon’s Temple artifacts. Not all “Temple Artifacts” are found in Zerubbabel’s
Temple and Herod’s Temple. For Zerubbabel’s Temple artifacts, see Zerubbabel’s Temple
Artifacts. For Herod’s Temple artifacts, see Herod’s Temple Artifacts. Temple artifacts are not
necessarily Tabernacle artifacts. For Tabernacle artifacts, see Tabernacle Artifacts. The following
cards refer to temple artifacts:
● Breaking Jerusalem's Wall (RA2), Filling Zerubbabel’s Temple (FF), Glory of the Lord (P),
Jehoiada the High Priest (P​i), King Abijam (XXVI), King Belshazzar (FF2), King Jehoash
(RA2), Solomon's Temple (Pa), Temple Dedication (XXVI), Temple Priests (XXVI)​​and
Zerubbabel’s Temple (FF)
The following artifacts can be regularly found in Solomon’s Temple:
● Altar of Burnt Offering (Pi), Altar of Incense (E), Altar of Incense (Pi), Ark of the Covenant
(Ki), Ark of the Covenant (Wa), Book of the Covenant (P), Book of the Law (​Pi), Golden
Cherubim (XXVI), Holy of Holies (DL), Holy of Holies (DU), Holy of Holies (Pi), La​mpstand
of the Sanctuary (Pi), Pot of Manna (P), Table of Showbread (Pi), Tables of the Law (G),
Tables of the Law (Pi), Tables of the Law (Wa), Temple Veil (F), The Bronze Laver (Pi), The
Silver Trumpets (Pi), ​and Windows of Narrow Light (P)
NOTE: Priestly Artifacts are not considered Temple Artifacts. While Asherah Pole (Ki) ​was once in
Solomon’s Temple, it is not considered a Temple Artifact.

So I'm not sure what you're getting at there, you'll need to explain better.

My question is two-part, neither of which you answered:

Why is Silver Trumpets a Tabernacle artifact when the rest of the artifacts similar in function, size, frequency of use, mobility, etc. are not?
Why isn't Silver Trumpets a Priestly artifact when the rest of the artifacts similar in function, size, frequency of use, mobility, etc. are?

I don't see anything in any definition about function, size, frequency of use, or mobility.  The definitions have to do with whether an item was in that location (Temple or Tabernacle), and then if not if it was something used by Priests regularly (Priestly Artifact).  That's it.  There's never been any "furniture clause."  Your points don't make any sense based on the definitions that we have.

A definition for Temple Artifact would solve the problem mostly, unless the definitions were still randomly mutually-exclusive.

Don't want to get accused of not quoting something again (not sure why that was a problem?) so I'll answer this again: We have a definition.  They are mutually exclusive by definition there.

And since you seem to want to know why, I'll point to what I said before:

[W]e already had things to target or interact with those cards that were specifically used as part of the Temple or Tabernacle; what we did not have was something that would work with all those other random things you couldn't "prove" met those other definitions.

The definition of Priestly Artifact was designed to include those things more in the game, not to exclude anything.

i can see how silver trumpets and ram's horn could be considered priestly artifacts

kind of makes me wonder what made the ones which are considered priestly artifacts qualify as where others did not

Not interested in your opinion anyway. All I want is a definition of "Temple Artifact."