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Hezekiah's Signet Ring VS The Angel Under the Oak/Angel With the Secret Name
« on: December 08, 2011, 05:19:09 PM »
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Does Hezekiah's Signet Ring restrict your opponent's The Angel Under the Oak/Angel With the Secret Name from Exchanging with a Judge in his deck or Discard piles?

Hezekiah's Signet Ring (Ki)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may search any draw pile or discard pile. • Play As: Prevent opponents from searching any deck or discard pile. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Chronicles 32:22 • Availability: Kings booster packs (Rare)

The Angel Under the Oak (RA2)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may draw 2 and exchange this Hero with a gold Judge in your hand, deck, territory, or discard pile. Protect Gideon from opponents. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Angel • Verse: Judges 6:11 • Availability: Rock of Ages Extended booster packs (None)

Angel with the Secret Name (RA2)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: X / X • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate Sites. You may exchange this Hero with a gold Judge in your hand, deck, or discard pile. Samson has Site access. Good Judges cards cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Angel, X = the number of silver Heroes in play • Verse: Judges 13:18 • Availability: Rock of Ages Extended booster packs (None)

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Re: Hezekiah's Signet Ring VS The Angel Under the Oak/Angel With the Secret Name
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2011, 05:24:53 PM »
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Quote from: tripleplayNo3 on December 08, 2011, 05:19:09 PM
Does Hezekiah's Signet Ring restrict your opponent's The Angel Under the Oak/Angel With the Secret Name from Exchanging with a Judge in his deck or Discard piles?

Hezekiah's Signet Ring (Ki)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: No opponent may search any draw pile or discard pile. • Play As: Prevent opponents from searching any deck or discard pile. • Identifiers: None • Verse: II Chronicles 32:22 • Availability: Kings booster packs (Rare)

The Angel Under the Oak (RA2)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may draw 2 and exchange this Hero with a gold Judge in your hand, deck, territory, or discard pile. Protect Gideon from opponents. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Angel • Verse: Judges 6:11 • Availability: Rock of Ages Extended booster packs (None)

Angel with the Secret Name (RA2)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: X / X • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate Sites. You may exchange this Hero with a gold Judge in your hand, deck, or discard pile. Samson has Site access. Good Judges cards cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Angel, X = the number of silver Heroes in play • Verse: Judges 13:18 • Availability: Rock of Ages Extended booster packs (None)

Yes, Hezzy's ring stops any exchange with cards in your opponent's deck or discard pile.
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Re: Hezekiah's Signet Ring VS The Angel Under the Oak/Angel With the Secret Name
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2011, 05:28:55 PM »
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Well the play as says its a "Prevent" ability, when the ability is CBN. I would say that it does not stop them.
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Re: Hezekiah's Signet Ring VS The Angel Under the Oak/Angel With the Secret Name
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2011, 05:35:21 PM »
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Problem is it's a restrict, not a prevent...I'm still not sure why it hasn't been updated in the REG yet...It is stopping you from performing the action of exchanging cards...
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Re: Hezekiah's Signet Ring VS The Angel Under the Oak/Angel With the Secret Name
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 05:45:54 PM »
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The play-as is an errata in disguise. Disregard.

Restrict abilities target players, while prevent abilities target cards. Since Hezzy's Sig targets a player "No opponent...", it is a restrict.
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Re: Hezekiah's Signet Ring VS The Angel Under the Oak/Angel With the Secret Name
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 06:23:48 PM »
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I agree with those that say the Ring is a restrict, and I agree with Ring Wraith's reasoning for it.

I also agree with those that say Ring stops the judges Angels, though I don't think anyone has explicitly stated why. Any ability that exchanges with a card in deck or discard pile inherently includes a search (you have to find the card to exchange with, after all). As such, anything that affects searches (whether restricting them like Ring or making them CBN or whatever else) also affects exchanges into deck/discard pile.
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