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Offline Gabe

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PO + Withdraw
« on: February 04, 2010, 10:42:34 PM »
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My opponent enters battle with Spy, Ahimaaz or Rhoda, then decides to withdraw.  May I still use Philistine Outpost to discard an evil card from my deck and search my discard pile for a generic Philistine?

Philistine Outpost
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you are attacked, you may discard this card or an evil card from deck to search discard pile for a generic Philistine and place it in your territory. Protect Sites from being placed beneath decks.
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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 10:45:44 PM »
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I say yes -
Were you attacked?
Yes - Philly Outpost triggers.
Spy completes first,
Was outpost negated?
No
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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 12:16:26 AM »
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I agree.
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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 12:38:09 AM »
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I do as well.

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 03:01:33 AM »
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Hey,

I say yes as well.

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 09:14:54 AM »
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I'm glad we all agree. ;D
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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 09:28:03 AM »
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I disagree!* If spy withdraws, that means he never really attacked, right? He just "spied."

*Not really, but I figured this thread needed some conflict. ;)
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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 12:49:46 PM »
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I am in conflict with your conflict.  ;)  All the answers above were correct.

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 02:10:26 PM »
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Easy now, we don't want too much conflict in this thread. ::)
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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 02:12:57 PM »
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Easy now, we don't want too much conflict in this thread. ::)
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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2010, 04:08:52 PM »
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I have another question on PO. Can you use it in a side battle too?
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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2010, 04:36:34 PM »
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I have another question on PO. Can you use it in a side battle too?
No. It is only a response to "if you are attacked," which only applies to a rescue attempt or battle challenge.

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 10:43:20 AM »
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I have another question on PO. Can you use it in a side battle too?
No. It is only a response to "if you are attacked," which only applies to a rescue attempt or battle challenge.
Why?  Specifically, why does "attacked" apply only to RA and BC?  It seems like the word "attacked" should mean anytime someone basically forces you to fight.

I'm not arguing. I am merely curious if it is a definition thing or if there is more meaning behind it.

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 04:02:29 PM »
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In a side battle, who is the attacker?  I always assumed there isn't one.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Is the first character put into the side battle the "attacker" and the other one the "blocker"?  If so, and I convert my Women as Snares to a hero, then start a side battle where your hero "attacks" and I use my converted Women as Snares to "block," do I get to capture all your male ECs?

I'm pretty sure that "attack" only refers to rescue attempts and battle challenges.  :)

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010, 04:26:27 PM »
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Hey,

I agree with Bryon.  There is no attacking or blocking in side battles.

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 04:53:10 PM »
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In a side battle, who is the attacker?  I always assumed there isn't one.  Maybe I'm wrong.
I've always assumed the attacker was the character(s) controlled by whichever player started the side battle. Maybe I'm wrong, but this would seem to fit the standard English definition of the word "attacker"--to whit, the person who started a fight.

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Is the first character put into the side battle the "attacker" and the other one the "blocker"?
I think the attacker would be the character controlled by the player who started the side battle. I admit the other half of the question puzzles me. Although its seems fairly clear to me that in real life every individual fight has to have an "attacker" (else how does the fight start?), I don't think every fight in real life has a "blocker."

Are you saying that in Redemption unlike real life if a battle has an "attacker" that it must necessarily have to have a "blocker?"

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If so, and I convert my Women as Snares to a hero, then start a side battle where your hero "attacks" and I use my converted Women as Snares to "block," do I get to capture all your male ECs?
I would think that you should be considered the attacker if you started the side battle. If your opponent started the side battle and gave you WaS whether or not you could capture the heroes depends on whether or not the opposite of "attacker" is necessarily "blocker."

Once again, I'm not arguing insofar that I have no problems with the ruling. I am merely curious as to why that ruling came to be and took your questions at face value. If your questions were meant to be rhetorical, then I missed the boat.

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2010, 10:55:43 PM »
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Not rhetorical, until the WaS question, which kinda convinced me that there really couldn't be a "blocker."  While I do see that we COULD rule that there is an attacker and no blocker, I think it is simpler to just say that in side battles, there are no attackers and blockers, only "characters in battle."

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Re: PO + Withdraw
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 12:47:58 AM »
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OK, so it is just by definition.  Thanks, that answers my question.

 


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