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It is not a special ability that they gain, it is a special ability that is outside of them (the disease) that is affecting them (much like wasting disease).  They arent gaining any special ability, they are just having their numerical abilities reduced.  As far as i know, the only way to gain special abilities is to use a set aside enhancement to gain one.  

I agree with mjwolfe on this one.  WoNL would still protect the heros even if wasting disease (or any other disease) was active.

I agree with "Crustpope".

 

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Quote from: Pastor Marcus on July 12, 2010, 02:00:10 PM

Are the Heroes being affected by this curse considered diseased?

Plagued with Disease  Curse  1/5  Decrease all opponents' Heroes by 0/2 (0/3 if you have the fewest Lost Souls).

The official answer appears to be "Yes".

I just found this in the REG:

A poison or disease is a special ability that adds an ability to the card it targets. The gained ability is permanent, ongoing, and negative (from the perspective of the card targetted).

Is Plagued with Disease permanent?  I'm going to say no.  So looking at that statement from the REG we seem to have a problem.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Well, technically, if all diseases are permanent, and PWD was just officially confirmed to be a disease, shouldn't its decrease be permanent until the heroes are healed?

maybe thats how it should have been to begin with.

Making PWD like that would be way too strong.  I could kill almost all of my opponents heros within a few turns.  PWD does not act like a disease in this sense, yet it has the Disease identifier.  SO there seems to be some real confusion over what a disease is and how long its effects last.

If this IS how diseases work then PWD is going in every one of my decks.

FWIW, there are cards that specifically target diseases, besides the cards that specifically target artifacts. There will be ways to stop this. However, with that said, I don't think a permanent decrease was intended, especially considering Nobody's response. We will have to choose carefully and consider all the peripheral effects of this ruling.

good point mkc
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is it a disease? yes

does it work like a disease? yes

have we been playing it properly? NO!

Is Plagued with Disease permanent?  I'm going to say no.

I agree that the decrease is not "permanent" in the sense of remaining if the curse is turned off.  However, it is permanent in the sense that it is still decreased outside of battle while the curse is active.  I also agree with Tim that the new REG will need to clarify how diseases work better.

Basically, it is normal for characters to have their abilities to go up or down while they are in battle.  But for a character to have altered abilities while they are sitting in a territory, there must be either a disease that decreased them or a set aside that increased them.  It seems like this could be the basis of a basic definition.  What do you think Tim?

Solution:

If all diseases work permanently, then simply tack on an extra clause to PWD that limits it to one decrease per hero, so it doesn't subtract 0/2 or 0/3 every phase.

I think that'd be the best solution. Give it a true disease ability that lasts until healed, but it stops it from being overpowered.

Regarding cards like Crown of Thorns, they are not diseases, so the decrease lasts for that one phase only, but it kicks back in during the next phase, so the decrease stays the same until the artifact is deactivated.

Quote from: crustpope on July 14, 2010, 09:17:37 AM

I think you also have to figure out how you are going to rule on PWD because this will come up at Nationals.

I'm going to rule that PWD is a disease because it fits what Rob said on the other side of the board.  Some diseases are cumulative, some are reiterative.  PWD is the latter.

Except you cant rule like that because the REG says all diseases are Permanent.  There is no distinction between the two.

Then if it is a disease it has to be permanent and I can layer multiple PWD at each activation.  First time you go dwn 0/2 next time you go down 0/4 third time y ou go down 0/6 etc.  because each activation is a new PWD that adds to the cumulative ability of the previous ones.

I think Maly is right that this cannot be a disease based on this right here.  It is too OP and can wipe out all heros in a few turns.  Now if you want to make the distinciton between permanent and reitertive in the new REG then I think that might save PWD as a disease, but as it stands, I dont think you can.

Now all we need to know is whether or not PwD is a plague. 

What Rob says overrules what is in a REG that everyone knows is outdated.  If Rob says, Plagued with Diseases is a disease, then that is what I'm going to rule it.  But I'm also going to go with the reiterative interpretation because that is what the card seems to say based on a basic reading of it. (as an aside it would also probably break the game to allow it to be cumulative)

Except now you are creating something that isnt there.  THis card needs clarification big time.  Because I would play it the broken way and I can defend my ruling by appealing to the current REG.  If y ou ruled that way I would have you prove it by findingit in the REG.

We all Know how a card is suppose to work but that hasn't saved cards before so you need to stop trying to do it in this instance.. Either this card needs to be stripped of its identifier or it needs a play-as or an erratta, OR it needs to be played like a disease with the cumulative effect.

either way, it is a loose end that the elders need to clarify because you know this is (and was before this thread) in my teams deck.