Author Topic: Plagued with Diseases (Read 7869 times)

Pastor Marcus · « **on:** July 12, 2010, 02:00:10 PM »

Are the Heroes being affected by this curse considered diseased?

Plagued with Disease Curse 1/5 Decrease all opponents' Heroes by 0/2 (0/3 if you have the fewest Lost Souls).

One of its identifiers is a disease.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:04:19 PM »

I and many others say yes, but some people disagree.

Pastor Marcus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:06:26 PM »

So does that mean that your ruling is the official ruling? Or is the other one the official ruling?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:08:07 PM »

I'm not official, but I know I've heard both sides from those who are official.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:09:25 PM »

I am curious as to why it would not be a disease.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:10:12 PM »

I know for a fact Maly is strongly against it being one.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:13:16 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 12, 2010, 02:10:12 PM

I know for a fact Maly is strongly against it being one.

Oh, the "Tim whose opinion matters."

SirNobody · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:21:20 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 12, 2010, 02:09:25 PM

I am curious as to why it would not be a disease.

Because it's not healable.

If a card with the title "Poisoned Jews" had the ability "Search draw pile for a hero and put it in play." Would the hero you searched for be poisoned?

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:27:46 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on July 12, 2010, 02:21:20 PM

If a card with the title "Poisoned Jews" had the ability "Search draw pile for a hero and put it in play." Would the hero you searched for be poisoned?

That was a ridiculous example. PwD carries the normal function of a disease. I did not realize that being "healable" was a condition for being a disease.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:31:09 PM »

The only reason Plagued with Diseases is not healable is because it constantly activates. It has disease in the title and it decreases the abilities of characters, it just stays active.

From the REG: Healing cards remove the gained ability from the poison or disease card and its negative effect.

So, I would say you could try to heal from Plagued with Diseases, and the healing would last for the rest of the phase, but it would be re-applied the next phase, since these are considered instant abilities.

Random side note about diseases.... I just found this in the REG:

A poison or disease is a special ability that adds an ability to the card it targets. The gained ability is permanent, ongoing, and negative (from the perspective of the card targetted).

Could I poison or disease a hero with no SA, and they would lose protection from Windows of Narrow Light?

Pastor Marcus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:33:07 PM »

And is Sick unto Death a disease too?

Sick unto Death Brown Enhancement Decrease all opponents heroes 5/5.

The Warrior · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:52:50 PM »

Quote from: Pastor Marcus on July 12, 2010, 02:33:07 PM

And is Sick unto Death a disease too?

Sick unto Death Brown Enhancement Decrease all opponents heroes 5/5.

im on team 'is a disease'

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2010, 11:18:34 PM »

There is discussion on the other side of the boards about what exactly qualifies as a disease/poison. Tim's view (although it of course matters) is not the only possibility of how things will end up.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2010, 11:28:21 PM »

and i always heard that brass serpent discards plagued with diseases...is this true?

Brass Serpent (Promo)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard all poisons and diseases in play. Heal all Heroes not at full strength. • Errata: Discard all poisons and diseases in play. Heal all Heroes in play. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Numbers 21:8 • Availability: Promotional cards (2001 District Tournament)

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2010, 11:33:23 PM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on July 12, 2010, 11:28:21 PM

and i always heard that brass serpent discards plagued with diseases...is this true?

I would guess so, but let's wait until we have a clear answer from the other side.

Quote from: SirNobody on July 12, 2010, 02:21:20 PM

Because it's not healable.

Actually I would guess that it is healable with "Backwards Shadow", but again we'll wait for the clear answer from the other side.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2010, 11:33:27 PM »

Yes, it's true.

It has the identifier Disease right on the card, I've always heard and played it that Brass Serpent can discard it.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2010, 02:39:12 AM »

Quote from: Pastor Marcus on July 12, 2010, 02:00:10 PM

Are the Heroes being affected by this curse considered diseased?

Plagued with Disease Curse 1/5 Decrease all opponents' Heroes by 0/2 (0/3 if you have the fewest Lost Souls).

One of its identifiers is a disease.

The official answer appears to be "Yes".

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2010, 08:49:38 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 13, 2010, 02:39:12 AM

The official answer appears to be "Yes".

That is good to hear, and frankly less confusing.

The Warrior · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2010, 01:48:05 PM »

Face Of Death nuff Said

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2010, 01:49:58 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 12, 2010, 02:31:09 PM

Random side note about diseases.... I just found this in the REG:

A poison or disease is a special ability that adds an ability to the card it targets. The gained ability is permanent, ongoing, and negative (from the perspective of the card targetted).

Could I poison or disease a hero with no SA, and they would lose protection from Windows of Narrow Light?

Quoting this again, because I would like to know if I read the quote correctly.

The Warrior · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2010, 01:51:40 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 13, 2010, 01:49:58 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 12, 2010, 02:31:09 PM
Random side note about diseases.... I just found this in the REG:

A poison or disease is a special ability that adds an ability to the card it targets. The gained ability is permanent, ongoing, and negative (from the perspective of the card targetted).

Could I poison or disease a hero with no SA, and they would lose protection from Windows of Narrow Light?

Quoting this again, because I would like to know if I read the quote correctly.

i dont see why not but im no elder either

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2010, 01:55:58 PM »

The same applies to Wasting Disease as well, right? I mean, I sure hope that is a disease, but if it is, who is technically the target of it? Everyone?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2010, 02:00:31 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 12, 2010, 02:31:09 PM

Random side note about diseases.... I just found this in the REG:

A poison or disease is a special ability that adds an ability to the card it targets. The gained ability is permanent, ongoing, and negative (from the perspective of the card targetted).

Could I poison or disease a hero with no SA, and they would lose protection from Windows of Narrow Light?

Assuming that REG quote is accurate, then yes, I would say that WoNL would not protect a diseased hero.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2010, 02:05:43 PM »

This is another reason that I don't think gained abilities should count as special abilities on characters.

mjwolfe · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2010, 03:09:34 PM »

There's a difference between a gained ability and a gained "special" ability. Abilities are the strength and toughness of the card while special abilities are the words that give cards the ability to do special things. The disease is adding a gained ability that is permanent, ongoing and negative (like 0/-3). While a card like Gathering of Angels would add a gained "special" ability to a character that had been set aside with it.

So I say that Windows of Narrow Light would still protect a diseased character that originally had no special ability because it still doesn't have a "special" ability it has only gained a "regular" ability (a negative one).

Mike

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