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Offline Smokey

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Placed converts are lame.
« on: August 16, 2010, 07:39:34 PM »
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My opponent makes a RA with Midwives, I blocked with Scribe banded to Proud Pharisee and played Pretension to set-aside a character in his territory.

It's my opponents inish from stalemate, he plays repentence on Scribe and Aotl on Proud Pharisee.

Do I have the chance to interrupt repentence.

Also, the shame lost soul is a may for each territory it can target, correct?

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 07:40:30 PM »
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Yes to both I do believe.

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 07:47:08 PM »
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Why would he receive initiative? He allowed Repentance to complete and convert, and it is not causing him to lose by removal. Then during the initiative check it's a stalemate, so his opponent plays AotL. It's AotL causing the lose-by-removal situation, not Repentance.

Also, Sir Nobody says the Shame LS is all or nothing.

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 07:50:56 PM »
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It depends how you interpret the scenario posted. I took it as AOTL was played immediately after Repentence without an initiative check.

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 07:54:33 PM »
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It depends how you interpret the scenario posted. I took it as AOTL was played immediately after Repentence without an initiative check.

He was my opponent.
There was no inish check.

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 07:56:36 PM »
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If there was no initiative check, then I would say you have a chance to interrupt, because Repentance would be causing the loss, not AOTL. If you initiative check, saw Stale, then played AOTL, russ would be correct.

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 08:00:30 PM »
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If there was no initiative check, then I would say you have a chance to interrupt, because Repentance would be causing the loss, not AOTL. If you initiative check, saw Stale, then played AOTL, russ would be correct.

Why? It should be the same either way, I should have a chance to respond to his action.

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 08:02:56 PM »
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I am about 90% that I was correct in a previous year, but I now see what you are saying. Because abilities must complete before dominants can complete, he essentially forced the resolution of repentance by playing AOTL.

Which doesn't jive, but I am not totally confident in my answer (though I do feel that is how it should be played).

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 08:04:07 PM »
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I played Repentance, targeted Scribe.
Scribe was converted, and Nick moved him back to his territory, I moved Repentance and placed it on Scribe.
I counted the numbers, it was a stalemate.
I waited a few seconds, but he did not ask if it was his initiative, I intended to play AotL before he was allowed to play an enhancement, so I played it.

Are you saying that because he never asked if it was his initiative that he gets the chance to essentially interrupt a Dominant? At the time AotL was played, Repentance had already completed.

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 08:05:09 PM »
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I played Repentance, targeted Scribe.
Scribe was converted, and Nick moved him back to his territory, I moved Repentance and placed it on Scribe.
I counted the numbers, it was a stalemate.
I waited a few seconds, but he did not ask if it was his initiative, I intended to play AotL before he was allowed to play an enhancement, so I played it.

Are you saying that because he never asked if it was his initiative that he gets the chance to essentially interrupt a Dominant? At the time AotL was played, Repentance had already completed.

If that is the correct scenario (Nic affirming the conversion by moving to territory), I would agree for sure that the Angel of the Lord would win the battle and Repentance can not be negated at this point.

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Re: Placed converts are lame.
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 08:08:39 PM »
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‘Interrupt the battle’ interrupts all active ongoing abilities on characters and enhancements, abilities that are causing you to lose the battle by removal, as well as the last enhancement played in the current battle if it was played by your opponent.  Interrupting the battle interrupts the battle flow at the point where you played the interrupt.  It does not send you back to the beginning of the battle and does not include special abilities completed prior to the interrupt being played that are no longer pending.

According to that I'm wrong too, but I think this whole scenario is stupid. I should be allowed to respond to his action even if I wasn't losing the battle when it completed.

 


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