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Samuel negates play abilities though so you cant play of hidden treasures to begin with.
Paul negates Hidden Treasures he just can't negate the play ability.So this is how cascade works REG says " all of the negateable effects that can be traced back to the negated ability are cascade negated" and IMO not alone definitely fall under that.
Quote from: Cnakeeyes on July 24, 2018, 01:18:13 PMSamuel negates play abilities though so you cant play of hidden treasures to begin with.He was using cloud of witnesses Samuel
Why would the whole ability gain cannot be interrupted? What is stopping Paul from negating all of the other abilitys on the card?
Paul negates Hidden Treasures he just can't negate the play ability. So this is how cascade works REG says " all of the negateable effects that can be traced back to the negated ability are cascade negated" and IMO not alone definitely fall under that.
So here's another question if my opponent plays his Nebuchadnezzar goes and gets dream add's dream to battle draws 3 and plays unified language and bands in one of his other evil characters in his territory. I then negate the draw off of dream that also negates unified languages. Not the playing of unified languages just the ability on unified languages. Those abilities are all tied together are they not? This is basically the same scenario. Maybe this is not the way it's supposed to be but this is the way Cascade negate works as of now.
As far as I'm concerned we've already had this discussion. http://www.cactusforums.com/ruling-questions/cascading-lol/
But if play abilities are CBI and Hidden Treasures is active when Samuel (RoA) enters battle he cannot negate that play ability since his negate activates after Hidden Treasures has been activated during earlier phase. Or does the HT play ability activates when hero enters battle and hence is prevented by Samuel (RoA)?
Sorry Kevin I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say. I do know that Hidden Treasures is a whole ability and the play the next enhancement is an effect of the ability. You can still negate the trigger even though the playability is already taken place. The playing of the enhancement cannot be interrupted but it can still be traced back to a loan green hero and that was negated so then not alone should be negated as well or we need to change the Cascade negate rules.