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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: robm on May 24, 2012, 01:56:29 PM
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Ok so as far as I am awake, Paul is currently listed as a prophet.
As a seminary graduate myself i would like to know the biblical bases behind Paul being listed as a prophet in redemption.
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If he is not, that would be excessively odd.
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If he is not, that would be excessively odd.
hu? What do you mean?
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He is because of his discussion on the rapture.
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He is because of his discussion on the rapture.
what are you talking about? The word rapture isn't even jn the Bible. I am looking for scripture references as I don't agree with this ruling.
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I think I've found your solution:
I am looking for scripture references as I don't agree with this ruling.
Ok so as far as I am awake, Paul is currently listed as a prophet.
So just go to sleep and you have no disagreement; now if you can only figure out how to play games in your sleep then you're all set.
But seriously, their definition of prophet is:
A Prophet is any Hero or Evil Character that the Bible refers to as a prophet or who foretold the future by supernatural revelation.
That is a pretty wide open but concrete definition which I think they tend to use to avoid getting into technicalities and disputes. So I wouldn't consider the angels to be prophets but under that definition it makes sense to include them. For Paul just look at Thesselonians and Corinthians where he clearly is talking about future events: the coming ressurection, antichrist, etc. Whether or not you believe in the rapture, I think its pretty clear he saying something about the future.
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LOL, thanks for the laughs.
I guess in this loose definition he gets prophet status with his references to future events in 1 Thessalonians. Thank you for given scripture reference.
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I'm meaning the discussion of the rapture in 2 Thes. Where he explains what we now call the Rapture.
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'on the basis of redemption I concede. As for the rapture that is a dicussion best not had on the forums.
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Actually that would be for the off-topic section.
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Paul doesn't talk about the Antichrist. There is no mention of the antichrist in the Bible, the word appears in the plural in 2nd and 3rd John, where he talks about the antichrists and the "spirit of antichrist" which is already among us.
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
The rapture is something that American protestants made up in the 1800's. There's one verse that talks about people being "caught up in the clouds" which was the basis of the entire American hysteria, all the rest talk about Jesus returning to earth.
And by the standard given in Deuteronomy for the determination of a prophet (I don't remember exactly where it is), I believe that a prophesy of future events has to come to pass before a person can be considered a prophet.
Of course, there is another sense in which the word "rapture" is used to refer to the final resurrection of the dead, but if Paul talks about that, it wouldn't be a prophesy--it simply be him stating a belief of the Pharisees which Jesus held. In Acts, for example, Paul makes the synagogue erupt into debate when he tells the Pharisees that he is a Pharisee being persecuted for his belief in the resurrection of the dead (which the Sadducees did not believe in).
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To be honest there is more evidence to Paul is a Prophet then there is for Peter.
Now you are wrong about the Rapture being just an American idea, because churches around the world believe otherwise. 1 Thes. 4:13-18 says otherwise, and this is not told as a belief, but as a prophecy. And Paul supports this elsewhere and so do other writers like John in Revelation. The word Rapture was more recent word for the event.
I would suggest moving this to the Off-Topic area so that this can be discussed further without taking up more room on the Ruling Questions thread.
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To be honest there is more evidence to Paul is a Prophet then there is for Peter.
Now you are wrong about the Rapture being just an American idea, because churches around the world believe otherwise. 1 Thes. 4:13-18 says otherwise, and this is not told as a belief, but as a prophecy. And Paul supports this elsewhere and so do other writers like John in Revelation. The word Rapture was more recent word for the event.
I would suggest moving this to the Off-Topic area so that this can be discussed further without taking up more room on the Ruling Questions thread.
Historically, this particular interpretation of this verse originates in 19th century America.
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Here is the link for the Off-Topic Discussion on this:
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/off-topic-discussion-is-paul-a-prophet (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/off-topic-discussion-is-paul-a-prophet)
I dont agree since the Book writers seem to agree with that there will be a Rapture.
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Here is the link for the Off-Topic Discussion on this:
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/off-topic-discussion-is-paul-a-prophet (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/off-topic/off-topic-discussion-is-paul-a-prophet)
I dont agree since the Book writers seem to agree with that there will be a Rapture.
Look at the history of the viewpoint. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture)