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The wording says "after battle," so it would return to your hand in the scenario you presented regardless of battle outcome.  It's like how Two Witnesses still discards all blocking evil characters even if TW is in discard pile, underdecked, etc.  And this assumes that Overcome or TW hasn't been negated at some point in the battle phase.

I have a follow-up question for this then if the card is negated but you've already shown the dominant does it still come back to your hand?

Negative.  If it's negated then it would not return to your hand (see my original updated post).

i agree but the two witnesses is a pending discard for a card in play

this is a pending return for overcome which would (by all i know) no longer be in play.. this is why i'm asking

i agree but the two witnesses is a pending discard for a card in play

this is a pending return for overcome which would (by all i know) no longer be in play.. this is why i'm asking

So long as the ability isn't negated it doesn't matter where Overcome winds up during or after battle: it still returns to your hand after battle if you fulfill the reveal a good dominant requirement.

The problem is that it's not a cost-benefit if you don't get the benefit for the cost. It probably should have been an identify and not a special ability on the card.

But cost-benefits can be negated; and with a look or reveal ability in the mix it's the nature of the beast. The ability as an identifier doesn't make sense, honestly. I think the card is great as-is, that's why so many people use it.

the reg says under Return (to Hand)

Default Conditions
● Targets must be “in play.”
● An ability that returns “all enhancements” (or “all good enhancements” or “all evil enhancements”) from battle
targets all enhancements played on the same side of the battle as the card with that ability.

my gut is that Overcome! would not be in play "after battle"

If your hero survives the battle then it is still in play because the enhancement's trigger now kicks in before it moves to the discard pile; otherwise there is no functional use for the return to hand portion of the SA. If the enh is discarded during battle (but not negated) then based upon the REG entry I would say that it cannot return to hand (thus correcting my earlier answer) since it's no longer in play, similar to how Silly Women's ability is.

How can Overcome's return to hand clause be an instant ability when it's a pending ability? The instant "return to hand" abilities that the REG entry is referring to are more like cards that return a character to a player's hand during battle, like Ahimelek or Hypocrisy (EC). Those abilities happen instantaneously while Overcome's ability is a triggered, pending ability.

"Instant abilities are special abilities that complete when the card is played or otherwise activated, and do not have ongoing effects.  Any instant ability whose effects resolved in a previously-completed phase, even during the same turn, cannot be interrupted or negated."

based on this part it makes me feel like Silly Women and Overcome! would be completed after battle regardless of where they end up similarly to Assyrian Survivor

"A capture ability is instantaneous." in relation to Silly Women

i really have no idea lol whole reason i brought this question to the boards

After battle abilities are not instant abilities, they are pending abilities. And with a pending ability, depending on the wording, it can either resolve or not resolve.

For example, SW says "after battle, capture this character to your opponent's land of bondage." Since the target of her "after battle" ability is herself, then she must be in play for it to resolve. This has been confirmed several times on the board with this particular card. If she wins the battle then her ability triggers and she goes to your opponent's LoB. If she's discarded during battle then she cannot be targeted since she is no longer in play.

Unlike SW, Assyrian Survivor is different. His ability says "if defeated," so if he is underdecked or loses by the numbers, etc, he is placed in your opponent's LoB instead.

Joab says "after battle, you may discard a warrior class evil character." His ability still works even if he is discarded because the target is not himself but is a WC EC in play. The same goes for Two Witnesses.

In the case of overcome! I think once you show the dominant card from hand it's completed its targeted itself in play and is over. So after battle it just does what it supposed to do matter where it's at just like two witnesses.

So if it's an optional trigger ability then after you show the dominant it should become mandatory ability.

REG

Triggered  abilities are  either optional or  mandatory.   Optional triggered abilities will  be designated with a “may”  or similar  wording,  while  mandatory  abilities simply  describe  the outcome  without  giving  a  choice.   Optional triggered abilities may  only  be  activated while the card it is on is controlled by  the holder and is  either in play  or set aside  area.  Mandatory triggered abilities that are  not negated if the card leaves play  or  set aside, persist  at lea st until  the end of  the current phase,  even unless the card  specifies otherwise.

If at the end of battle you win or lose and Overcome hasn't been negated then I believe you can return it to hand if you fulfilled the good dominant requirement. But that isn't what I was talking about. In my earlier post to Karius I said that if the card is discarded during battle (but not negated) it would not return to your hand since it's in the discard pile already and thus out of play. In this scenario, after battle, since Overcome is trying to target itself to return to hand then it cannot since it is out of play.

Overcome! and Silly Women have ongoing trigger abilities that, when the trigger is met, activate an instant ability.  This is a source of some of the confusion I see above.

Overcome! has an optional cost-benefit ability that activates an ongoing triggered ability.  If the cost is paid, then the benefit is gained. 

The benefit in this example is the ongoing trigger that is met "after battle", which then triggers the instant Return To Hand ability that returns Overcome! to hand.

The key to whether Overcome! is returned to hand if the hero is removed from battle prior to battle resolution is right there in the REG, quoted earlier in the thread:

Default Conditions
● Targets must be “in play.”
● An ability that returns “all enhancements” (or “all good enhancements” or “all evil enhancements”) from battle
targets all enhancements played on the same side of the battle as the card with that ability.

In this case, Overcome! must be in play at battle resolution to return to hand.

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In this case, Overcome! must be in play at battle resolution to return to hand.

Right so is Overcome! discarded the moment a lone hero is martyred (no other conditions, dom was revealed) or during battle resolution? Guardian made it sounds like battle resolution which means Overcome! could be in play during it ie returning to hand. Thanks a lot for the help here tried to figure it out with Red yesterday

CM discards a hero before battle resolution.  Even though battle resolution usually follows afterwards since there are no heroes in battle and it is very difficult to get another hero into the same battle to continue it, nevertheless Overcome! was in discard at battle resolution, so it can't return.

Cool thank you a lot for the help to understand this totally makes sense