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Mary Mags vs. Goat with Horn (both Di).  Who has inish, and why?

My thoughts: I once heard immunity described as having "infinite toughness," so Goat has inish and is losing.

Mary Magdalene (Di)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 7 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate special abilities on demons. Immune to demons. • Identifiers: NT Female Human • Verse: John 20:16-17

The Goat with Horn (Di)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Orange/Black • Ability: 11 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard a Persian or a weapon. First strike. Protected from capture. Search discard pile for a black Daniel Enhancement. Cannot be prevented. • Play As: Discard a Persian or a weapon. First strike. Protect from capture. Search discard pile for a black Daniel Enhancement. Cannot be prevented. • Identifiers: OT Male Beast (Demon), King (Greece) • Verse: Daniel 8:21

How to Play     
First strike applies to the rules of initiative during battle and in battle resolution at the end of battle. The following conditions are important for determining initiative and battle resolution:

one or more characters in battle have a first strike ability

the battle is in the mutual destruction state

the strength of a first strike character is greater than or equal to the toughness of all the character(s) on the other side of battle

If these conditions are met, then the battle is moved to the Hero winning or Evil Character winning state (whichever one is in favor of the character with first strike).

A first strike ability is ongoing.  First strike abilities target the characters that gain first strike.

How to Play
A card that is immune cannot be targeted by an ability, other than a negate or interrupt ability, that is on a card to which it is immune or on a card played on that card.  Additionally when comparing the strength of one character to the toughness of a second character that is immune to the first character, the strength of the first character is treated as zero unless it is negative.

All immune abilities are ongoing.  Immune abilities target the cards that gain the immune status.

Special Conditions
When there are more than two characters in a battle that is affected by an immune ability you must follow a different process to determine the state of the battle and what characters in battle are being defeated.  That process is defined as follows:  Each character in battle that is not immune to any opposing characters in battle is being defeated if the total strength of all characters on the opponent's side of battle is greater than or equal to the total toughness of all of the characters on its side of battle.  Each character in battle that is immune to at least one opposing character in battle is being defeated only if the total strength of the characters that it is not immune to on the opponent's side of battle is greater than or equal to the total toughness of all of the characters on its side of battle.  If all heroes in battle and all evil characters in battle are being defeated, then the battle is in the mutual destruction state. If all heroes but not all evil characters in battle are being defeated, then the battle is in the evil character(s) winning state.  If all of the evil characters but not all of the heroes in battle are being defeated, then the battle is in the hero(es) winning state.  And if not all of the heroes in battle and not all of the evil characters in battle are being defeated, then the battle is in the stalemate state.

All that to say, Goat is losing BtN and has initiative.

It tends to shorten the length of threads.

Quote from: Professoralstad on January 28, 2012, 09:32:25 AM

All that to say, Goat is losing BtN and has initiative.

Ah, so I did get it right.  Thanks, I read through the REG quotes three times and still wasn't sure.

That's a real issue if an intelligent young adult has a difficult time understanding the REG.