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not sure if this will allow a capture or not since the return is to hand not territory.

Outburst of Anger (Ap)

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Hero is returned to owner's hand. A new Hero must be placed in battle or rescue attempt fails. • Play As: Return any Hero to owner's hand. If this ability causes a Hero to leave battle, your opponent may place a new Hero in battle. • Identifiers: NT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: Galatians 5:20-21 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Rare)

herod agriipa 2 texp

Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: None • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Negate protect abilities on Fortresses. If a Hero withdraws from battle, you may capture it. May band to a Sadducee. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, King (Judah) • Verse: Acts 25:23 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs

need a solid answer please

i agree.

a withdraw is a return ability. a return is not a withdraw ability.

Withdraw and Return to anywhere from battle are synonyms.

From the REG:

“Withdraw”, “retreat”, “lose their way” “return”, “refuses to block”, and “flee from battle” are the same.

So Outburst of Anger + HAII would result in a capture.

But HAII is gold...

Quote from: RTSmaniac on September 27, 2010, 09:25:42 AM

i agree.

a withdraw is a return ability. a return is not a withdraw ability.

Withdraw and Return to anywhere from battle are synonyms.

From the REG:

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“Withdraw”, “retreat”, “lose their way” “return”, “refuses to block”, and “flee from battle” are the same.

So Outburst of Anger + HAII would result in a capture.

Even though the hero is withdrawing out of play?

Even though the hero is withdrawing out of play?

Yes.

No.

im curious to know as well. is hg2 an instead?

DoN specifies an active artifact. Unholy Writ is not active so DoN can't target it.

Using that same reasoning, HA2 defaults to in play which the hero in your hand is not.

Quote from: Master KChief on September 27, 2010, 05:31:21 PM

im curious to know as well. is hg2 an instead?

That's actually a good point. I assumed it was an instead, in which case I think it would work, but reading HAII again, it is not an instead, it is a separate ability. So I would actually have to rule that withdrawing to hand doesn't allow the capture. Good catch.

So I actually was right, initially.... I wasn't sure why you were saying it wouldn't work, but I wasn't going to argue with you.

It depends on the timing of the capture. If the capture takes place after the hero has full withdrawn, HA2 would not be able to capture a hero that was OOP in a hand. If the capture takes place while the hero is withdrawing, then he would. I lean toward the first timing, since the standard principle of Redemption is that, unless interrupted, one ability must complete before the next ability takes place. SO the hero makes it all the way back to the hand before HA2 triggers against the "withdrawing" card.

I agree. However, if HAII did say instead, then I would say that it would be the second timing, which is why I initially ruled the way I did. But he does not. So Outburst of Anger is still mostly useless...sad day.