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Outburst of Anger
« on: August 06, 2009, 12:12:41 PM »
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My opponent rescues with two Heros banded together.  I block with a 1/1 gold EC and play Outburst of Anger to return one of the Heroes to my opponent's hand.  My opponent doesn't have a new Hero to place in battle.  The remaining Hero is still winning by the numbers. 

Does the rescue attempt fail or is the second sentence of Outburst just clarifying text?

Outburst of Anger
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Hero is returned to owner's hand. A new Hero must be placed in battle or rescue attempt fails.
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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2009, 12:26:15 PM »
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There's what I think, what I expect, and the unanticipated.

What I think: RA fails.

What I expect: It's clarifying text.

The unanticipated: Both heroes return to hand (like choose the rescuer rules).


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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 12:42:40 PM »
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It's clarifying text. REG, Withdraw from Battle > Special Conditions:

"If one or more characters remain in battle, the withdrawn character does not have to be replaced.  There continues to be a battle.  The player being forced to withdraw may choose to play an interrupt or negate card if the player has initiative, or may choose to replace the card withdrawn if the withdraw card gives him that option."
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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 12:46:22 PM »
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I'm curious as to why this card had "clarifying text," but the older Cage does not.
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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 12:49:42 PM »
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There's what I think, what I expect, and the unanticipated.

What I think: RA fails.

What I expect: It's clarifying text.

The unanticipated: Both heroes return to hand (like choose the rescuer rules).




I agree with the first one, even if it isn't ruled this way. As much as possible, I think that we should let the cards do what was written on them.

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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 12:52:13 PM »
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I agree with the first one, even if it isn't ruled this way. As much as possible, I think that we should let the cards do what was written on them.

+1 which means that Hunger should discard Heroes in battle.  Unfortunately that's not the way it works. :P
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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 12:53:02 PM »
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Its only that way sometimes, sometimes we rule by what the cards literally say, sometimes we don't.
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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 12:54:14 PM »
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I'm curious as to why this card had "clarifying text," but the older Cage does not.

In the initial sets, cards were more terse, like: "Hero ignores Gold Brigade". Only unique abilities like capture and convert (Net, Repentance) had extra text. In the Warriors-Apostles era, it seemed like everything had the clarifying text, for some reason; cf: Emperor Nero, Mask of Vanity.
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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 01:40:05 PM »
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I agree with the first one, even if it isn't ruled this way. As much as possible, I think that we should let the cards do what was written on them.

+1 which means that Hunger should discard Heroes in battle.  Unfortunately that's not the way it works. :P

And a lone hero + AotL shouldn't rescue a lost soul against Nero :P

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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 02:08:58 PM »
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that's no fun luke... that messes part of my roman emperor deck haha

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Re: Outburst of Anger
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 02:12:52 PM »
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I'm curious as to why this card had "clarifying text," but the older Cage does not.

I'm even more curious to find out whether using clarifying shampoo on my new shiny cards will cause all the SA's to become clarifying text.   :P
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