Author Topic: Unique character clarification (Read 2634 times)

DDiceRC · « **on:** August 15, 2009, 03:35:13 PM »

Just so I'm straight on this, the new rule (as written in the REG) is that you can have two of the same unique character in your deck if they are of different brigades. Artwork no longer matters for unique characters.

So, are all these statements true?

I can put PotW (pale green) and PotW (orange) in my deck.

I cannot put Michael (Warriors) and Michael (AW) in my deck.

I can put Eli the Priest (Blue), Eli the Priest (Teal), and Eli the Priest (Gold) in my deck.

(Now it gets fun!)

I can put Jeremiah (White) and Jeremiah (Teal) in my deck.

I can put Jeremiah (White) and Jeremiah (Green/Teal) in my deck.

I cannot put Jeremiah (Teal) and Jeremiah (Green/Teal) in my deck, since they share a color.

Do I understand this correctly?

The Warrior · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2009, 03:36:56 PM »

i would think it wouldnt matter for white jerry cuz he has no sa

DDiceRC · « **Reply #2 on:** August 15, 2009, 03:39:33 PM »

If I recall correctly, a character having an SA kept you from having the "same" character without an SA. So Jeremiah (T) would keep Jeremiah (W) out of your deck. But I could be wrong, or it could just be my failing memory.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #3 on:** August 15, 2009, 04:26:16 PM »

What new rule are you talking about? As of now, the answers are as follows:

1. Michael, no. Same brigade + Same Name = Same card
2. PotW and Eli , no. Same art + Same name = Same card
3. Jeremiah, not sure since I have not seen the card art. If the art is the same, then see #2.

~~The one exception is the white brigade Jeremiah which has no SA (so you can have him with any one of the others).~~

DDiceRC · « **Reply #4 on:** August 15, 2009, 05:38:26 PM »

From the online REG Type I deck building rules:

"Unique characters with special abilities that have the same name and brigade are limited to a maximum of 1 each per 50 cards in a deck. For example, you can have one David (green brigade) and one David (red brigade) but not two David cards in the green brigade (even if their special abilities vary) in a deck that is smaller than 100 cards."

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #5 on:** August 15, 2009, 05:42:10 PM »

There was an insert in Priests packs that updated that information. The quote you have is from the 10th Anniversary Rulebook (which is part of the REG).

DDiceRC · « **Reply #6 on:** August 15, 2009, 06:00:41 PM »

My mistake. I assumed that the REG was updated to reflect the latest rules.

As for that, I think it would be in the best interests of Cactus to have the REG reflect the most current rules, since it is used as the reference document for official rules and rulings. We do that at SFR with our game-any time we add new rules, or change the old ones, the official online rules are updated to reflect those changes so that there is no confusion over what the official rules are. I haven't been able to find the Priests update in the REG, although I may just be overwhelmed by its size.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #7 on:** August 15, 2009, 06:16:46 PM »

You're preaching to the choir, however with only one person authorized to update the REG that is a rather daunting charge.

The insert may be somewhere in the REG, but I'll just type it here since it isn't that long:

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1.) Character cards with the same title and the same art are considered duplicates for deck building. Therefore, Jeremiah (white) and Jeremiah (teal) are duplicate characters and one is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50 - 99 cards.

2.) Character cards with the same title and the same brigade are considered duplicate characters unless they are a generic character and have different art. Therefore, Michael (Warriors), Michael (Kings) and Michael (Angel Wars) are considered the same hero and only one is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50 - 99 cards. However, Sadduccees (G deck) and Sadduccees (Apostles, 3 variants) all have different art and are generic characters, so one of each is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50- 99 cards.

Intersestingly, I was wrong about Jeremiah, since the insert specifically says you can not even have the one with no SA in the same Type 1 deck as one with a SA. I always thought the deck-building regulations only applied to characters with SAs. Weird.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** August 15, 2009, 06:50:03 PM »

I'm going to do the unthinkable and double-post, but I am confused now by the deck-building rules for unique characters. I quoted above the Priests insert card, which says that you can not have the white and teal Jeremiahs in the same Type 1 deck since they are duplicates. The Michael example says that the Michaels are "the same hero."

However, you are allowed a red David and a green David in a Type 1 deck. Aren't they "the same hero?" Does the insert then also override the rulebook rule that single-color heroes with no SA are allowed 3 per fifty? In the Jeremiah example, why would a no-SA hero and a SA hero be excluded if they follow different rules in deck-building?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:00:40 AM »

Different brigade, different art = different card for deck building.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:04:28 AM »

That doesn't answer my question, but perhaps you were just making a general statement.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:05:36 AM »

Yes it does.

Aren't they "the same hero?"
Different brigade, different art = different card for deck building.

Deckbuilding is all that is talking about, not being in play at the same time.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:32:53 AM »

Oh, I see what you're saying. I guess the phrase "Same Hero" was throwing me off because I was taking it literally. They meant "Same Deck-Building Hero."

Got it. Thanks!

SirNobody · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2009, 01:58:29 AM »

Hey,

As far as the Jeremiah issue is concerned. Teal Jeremiah is the same card as White Jeremiah for deck building purposes. But the comment about being only able to have one copy of him in a 50-99 card deck is erroneous. You can only have one copy of Jeremiah that has a special ability per fifty cards in a deck and you can have no more than three copies of Jeremiah (with or without a special ability) in your deck regardless of size. Which means you could have one teal Jeremiah and two white Jeremiah's in a 50 card deck.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

DDiceRC · « **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2009, 02:04:11 PM »

So let me put this into a formula:

You have three card elements

1) Name
2) Brigade
3) Artwork

If Name and any one of the other two match, the card is considered the same card for deck building purposes.

Different name is almost always different card (with some exceptions, such as David/King David being considered the same name).(Side question: Is there any card where the Artwork and Brigade match, but not the name?)

If Name and Brigade match (e.g., Michael K vs. AW) it is considered the same card.

If Name and Artwork match (e.g., PotW PG vs. Orange) it is considered the same card.

If Name matches, but neither Brigade nor Artwork match (e.g., David Red vs. Green), it is not the same card.

Statement of rule: For two unique cards with the same name, if either the Brigade color or the Artwork match, it is considered the same card for deck building purposes.

Have I gotten it now?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #15 on:** August 16, 2009, 03:17:20 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on August 16, 2009, 01:58:29 AM

As far as the Jeremiah issue is concerned. Teal Jeremiah is the same card as White Jeremiah for deck building purposes. But the comment about being only able to have one copy of him in a 50-99 card deck is erroneous. You can only have one copy of Jeremiah that has a special ability per fifty cards in a deck and you can have no more than three copies of Jeremiah (with or without a special ability) in your deck regardless of size. Which means you could have one teal Jeremiah and two white Jeremiah's in a 50 card deck.

That contradicts all the printed rules and Alex's succinct bottom line.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #16 on:** August 16, 2009, 03:26:28 PM »

How so? It makes sense to me. I thought it was assumed I was talking about cards with a special ability, since no one uses cards without them.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #17 on:** August 16, 2009, 03:28:59 PM »

Nice try, but you specifically replied to my direct question about Jeremiah.

frisian9 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 16, 2009, 05:19:21 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 15, 2009, 06:16:46 PM

You're preaching to the choir, however with only one person authorized to update the REG that is a rather daunting charge.

The insert may be somewhere in the REG, but I'll just type it here since it isn't that long:

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1.) Character cards with the same title and the same art are considered duplicates for deck building. Therefore, Jeremiah (white) and Jeremiah (teal) are duplicate characters and one is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50 - 99 cards.

2.) Character cards with the same title and the same brigade are considered duplicate characters unless they are a generic character and have different art. Therefore, Michael (Warriors), Michael (Kings) and Michael (Angel Wars) are considered the same hero and only one is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50 - 99 cards. However, Sadduccees (G deck) and Sadduccees (Apostles, 3 variants) all have different art and are generic characters, so one of each is allowed in a Type 1 deck of 50- 99 cards.

Intersestingly, I was wrong about Jeremiah, since the insert specifically says you can not even have the one with no SA in the same Type 1 deck as one with a SA. I always thought the deck-building regulations only applied to characters with SAs. Weird.

Wow - I never read that. I guess I should read inserts - even if I have 2000 of them in a pile. I'll fix the REG to reflect this sometime soon. I have a busy week ahead of me. Thanks for pointing it out. I do greatly appreciate that.

Mike

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