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1) What should have happened to Word of Christ once it negated Messenger of Satan? Negating the draw means the search shouldn't have triggered off it.2) Is Egyptian Horses actually playable in this scenario? The REG says SI is only granted when your are being left with no characters in battle, and Messenger would still be present.3) Since Horses interrupts Music Leader (in battle, at least), does he get another search from the draw on Horses?
I thought you could not un play cards? So even if ML got negated later, if you played the card you searched for wont it just stay activated and in battle?
Also how did you play Horses on the pharaoh if messenger was negated?Doesn't the card have to be orange?Or am I completely wrong on all of this? lol
I'm pretty sure jmhartz nailed it.
I concur with jmhartz (and Gabe) except that I don't think MoS would be being ignored. If WoC is returned to deck everything except the negate should be cascade negated along with Music Leader (the negate is excepted to prevent a continuous loop). As such, the ignore would no longer be in effect (since it was as though WoC was never played, aside from the negate).
See Aggie's last post.
Quote from: The Guardian on June 26, 2016, 02:17:13 AMSee Aggie's last post.So Guardian would obviously stick since it's CBN, but would Abe's Servant stick because it was played off of BoH's CBI play ability or go back because of BoH's negatable draw ability?Say my opponent attacks with Paul's Nephew. I block with Pharisees. Opponent plays Generous Giving so we both draw 3, one of mine being Gameliel's Speech, and then he relinquishes initiative. If I play Gam's Speech, place it in territory, and then discard it to negate Generous Giving, would Speech go from my discard pile back on top of my deck? Maybe there's something about Speech that makes it inherently CBI and obviously this is super hypothetical, but I'm just trying to find situations in which it just doesn't make sense for a card played to be able to be "un-played."
Quote from: KoalaKing on June 26, 2016, 02:53:13 AMQuote from: The Guardian on June 26, 2016, 02:17:13 AMSee Aggie's last post.So Guardian would obviously stick since it's CBN, but would Abe's Servant stick because it was played off of BoH's CBI play ability or go back because of BoH's negatable draw ability?Say my opponent attacks with Paul's Nephew. I block with Pharisees. Opponent plays Generous Giving so we both draw 3, one of mine being Gameliel's Speech, and then he relinquishes initiative. If I play Gam's Speech, place it in territory, and then discard it to negate Generous Giving, would Speech go from my discard pile back on top of my deck? Maybe there's something about Speech that makes it inherently CBI and obviously this is super hypothetical, but I'm just trying to find situations in which it just doesn't make sense for a card played to be able to be "un-played."There's a difference between playing an enhancement via regular initiative, and play an enhancement via a Play ability. The first has no special rules surrounding it; cards played via regular initiative can be removed from battle if the ability that searched/drew that card is negated. Not so with Play abilities - the card played sticks, no matter what else is negated.
So in this scenario Gam's Speech was played by regular initiative so it would indeed go back on top of my deck even though it has been used and discarded in the process?
I, too, remember the times where the rule was succinctly expressed as "you cannot unplay a card." Does anyone know when and why we moved away from that to the more convoluted "you cannot unplay a card that was played by a play ability unless X Y or Z has happened?"
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