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I"m pretty sure there was discussion recently about printed abilities vs erratas.  I can't remember the conversation exactly, but I think it had to do whether you could play a card with the word "place" added in an errata with High Places.  It was said you could not; the word "place" had to be printed on the card.  If I'm wrong and making things up, just say so.

As I was looking through the REG, I found a quote that would seem to dispute that.

Cards like Lay Down Your Life that do not specifically mention the word “heal” in their special ability or card errata are not considered healing cards.

That would seem to say that a card with "place" added in an errata could be used with High Places.

I think the conversation had more to do with the play as of Leprosy, which does contain "place", while the SA says "placed". I don't think the rule you mentioned would apply for play as, since that is more of a clarification of how the card is used, as opposed to a change in the ability, which is what errata is.

But I agree, if an EE was given errata to say "place", then High Places would allow it to be used outside of battle.

I personally don't see a difference between a "play as" and an "errata." Both are making corrections in the meaning of the card. Both are saying "this is how the card should be worded." Both are changing the ability of the card, and if they are not, then what indeed is the purpose of them? The only difference seems to be whether or not the creator of the card intended for the card to actually do what it says. However, this is something that can only be determined in degrees in the first place, so sometimes the line of distinction between "play as" and "errata" is hard to place.

I say, "play as" should mean the same thing as "errata" for all executive purposes (including that of High Places), in which case all "play as" and "eratta" should be considered the true wording of the abilities of the cards they pertain to.

A play as is a clarification while an errata is a change.  However, they both change the official ability so I don't see the difference either.

The "Play As" doesn't necessarily change the ability, it just makes cards that have abilities that are confusing and can be easily misinterpreted easier to understand. For example:

Leprosy
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: 2 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Selected Hero decreases 0/2 per turn. If Hero reaches */0 or less, discard Hero. Then Leprosy is placed on another hero in that territory and continues. • Play As: Selected Hero decreases 0/2 per turn. If Hero reaches */0 or less, discard Hero. If discarded, place Leprosy on another Hero in that territory. Disease is ongoing. • Identifiers: OT, Disease • Verse: II Kings 5:27 • Availability: Warriors booster packs (Common)

Here, we have the phrase "Then Leprosy is placed on another hero in that territory and continues." What is unclear is how the new target is chosen when the condition is fulfilled. The Play As clears it up by telling the player who played Leprosy to place it on another hero. This isn't changing the ability, as the Play As way is the most intuitive form of the original, and how it was played before the Play As was written. The Play As is just making the SA clearer. I'm sure that some cards have a Play As that seems more like an errata, but I imagine they are not fairly common. The distinction has been around as long as the REG has included the term Play As. 

My 

Play As = What the card says is correct, but this is what you are supposed to do for ruling questions.

Errata = What the card says is wrong. This is what was supposed to be printed.

Therefore, a card that has "place" in the ability would only include those that have the actual printing or the corrected printing (errata).

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My 

Play As = What the card says is correct, but this is what you are supposed to do for ruling questions.

Errata = What the card says is wrong. This is what was supposed to be printed.

Therefore, a card that has "place" in the ability would only include those that have the actual printing or the corrected printing (errata).

This.  Is.  Correct.

Who is Sparta, and how did he hack 3 accounts?

I too feel it's wrong to say "oh look, heres how the card is SUPPOSED to be worded now....  But don't you even think about using specific words from the play as!"

I vote no more cards that specify specific words in special abilities to avoid this kind of mess.

Are there any cards with Errata that matter at all in this discussion?

Since when has irrelevancy kept Redemption players from having a 12 page discussion concerning something they're passionate about?

LOL!

Wow, his first entry onto the list? I'd've thought Gabe'd've been there a while ago.

Use the specific words on the card.  How hard is that? 

Are there any cards with Errata that matter at all in this discussion?

Not hard, until you have an eratta and people argue.  It needs to be all or nothing.  It either needs to be always what is printed on the card or always the latest version.  Using the print version and errata but not the Play As is neither of those.

What if there was an old EE that said "Put this card on a hero.  If hero is discarded, discard all characters in play."  After place was "invented", it was given a Play As to clarify which read "Place this card..."  Later on, it was given an errata because it was OP'D so now it reads "Place this card on a hero.  If hero is discarded, cry."

Why should only the errata'd version work with High Places?  The errata didn't change anything about the placing, the Play As did that.  The most recent wording of the card should always be used when determining something about the card.

I vote no more cards that specify specific words in special abilities to avoid this kind of mess.

Hear hear

The card was designed to work with the cards AS PRINTED.

Similarly, cards that say "a good enhancement with a Matthew reference" DO include AoC, but do NOT include AoC promo.

The reference is not on the card.  The word is not in the special ability.  The word is not in the title.  It's all the same.

The "play as" is only a help-guide.  It is not an official replacement of the special ability.

If we wanted to treat "play as" as errata, we'd call it errata.