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I would say the "exchange" causes Oak to be shuffled into it's owner's deck, while the user gets to draw 2 and search for the Judge he wants.

What if he wants to exchange in hand or territory?

If he exchanges to hand, it defaults to the owner's hand.

Why is this? Abe's Kid is precedent for having other people's cards in your hand (unless I and everyone I know have been playing it wrong) so why can't the Judges angels do the same?

YOUR is the key word in the Fishing boat ruling. You have to place the card beneath YOUR deck which you cannot do with someone else's card.

Philistine Armorbearer is the precedent here, and that's always worked as described in the initial answers. The only uncharted territory is exchanging to hand, and that just needs a ruling one way or the other. Also, Fishing Boat should be able to work without restrictions in TEAMS.

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 21, 2012, 01:40:04 PM

I would say that the rule should be the same as with return, as I quoted above, so that the angel goes to owner's hand. All cards that allow you to have an opponent's card in your hand specifically allow it.

They don't "specifically allow it." They don't change any game rules. They simply cause it to be. So would exchanging if this ruling went the other way. I personally think that is simpler and makes more sense (and takes Oak down a notch as well).

I agree, also this puts Genesis decks on par with sam/oak decks.

The way I see it, the only reason Exchange or Return wouldn't be able to put a card in another person's deck is that having an opponent's card in your deck makes it almost impossible not to stack the deck when shuffling, and also people don't like other people handling their cards. (I know I don't - especially when little kids get their careless hands on my dominants.) I'm sure that's how that rule originated. I personally think the same thing should apply to hand, but that is now impossible (see Taking Egypt's Wealth), so I don't see why Exchange would restrict that.

In other words, I say there should be (if there isn't already) a blanket rule that no card can ever enter a deck or discard pile other than its owner's. However, such a rule is impossible to make for hands, else certain cards would be self-contradictions. Therefore a rule restricting exchange from changing hands, when other abilities are not similarly restricted, would be confusing and inconsistent.