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Nob Q
« on: July 23, 2013, 11:59:39 AM »
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Ahimelech, Priest at Nob says:

"Search discard pile for a weapon class Enhancement and place on your warrior class Hero that has no weapon and convert weapon to that Hero’s brigade."

If you have no WC Hero does the weapon just go to hand?
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Re: Nob Q
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 12:09:25 PM »
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No, the weapon must go on a warrior-class hero and if you don't have one the weapon remains in d/c pile.

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Re: Nob Q
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2013, 12:10:43 PM »
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No, the weapon must go on a warrior-class hero and if you don't have one the weapon remains in d/c pile.

So it isn't a "do as much as you can" situation?
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Re: Nob Q
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 01:00:57 PM »
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I would rule it is a do as much as you can. See Cupbearer (search for artifact and have no Genesis evil character to add to battle) as a parallel example. Good find! Never realized that.

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Re: Nob Q
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 01:30:23 PM »
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Does it matter that Cupbearer's ability is a "may," while Nob's ability is not? I forget if the separating of abilities only applies to "may" abilities.
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Re: Nob Q
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 01:44:47 PM »
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Does it matter that Cupbearer's ability is a "may," while Nob's ability is not? I forget if the separating of abilities only applies to "may" abilities.

It does matter.

Quote from: REG>Search
A search ability allows a player to view a deck, discard pile, or Artifact Pile to perform an action with a specific card or set of cards.

If a search ability states what to search “for” but does not say what to do with that card, then the card should be taken into the player’s hand.

The only thing you are allowed to do with a searched for card is the specific action that can be taken, the "go to hand by default" only applies when no specific action is mentioned (such as Golden Cherubim's "search for a card"). The may ability on Cupbearer translates to: "You may search, then you may add to battle."
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Re: Nob Q
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2013, 02:28:36 PM »
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Does it matter that Cupbearer's ability is a "may," while Nob's ability is not? I forget if the separating of abilities only applies to "may" abilities.

It does matter.

Quote from: REG>Search
A search ability allows a player to view a deck, discard pile, or Artifact Pile to perform an action with a specific card or set of cards.

If a search ability states what to search “for” but does not say what to do with that card, then the card should be taken into the player’s hand.

The only thing you are allowed to do with a searched for card is the specific action that can be taken, the "go to hand by default" only applies when no specific action is mentioned (such as Golden Cherubim's "search for a card"). The may ability on Cupbearer translates to: "You may search, then you may add to battle."

This is news to me, though I can't think of many other situations where this would matter. So if I'm understanding the REG quote right, to search for something, you must perform the action that the card specifies to be able to search for it in the first place?
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Re: Nob Q
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2013, 03:20:01 PM »
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Not quite. You are always allowed to do the search (that part is ok under "do as much as you can") but it is the add to hand default that only applies when something else isn't specified.

There are two basic types of search abilities

1. "Search for X and do Y", where X is a certain card/card type, and Y is an action that is done with the searched for card.
2. "Search for X (and do Y)", where X is a certain card/card type, and Y is the default action of adding the card to your hand in lieu of any other instruction.

In the first case, you can always do the search. Once you do the search, you must do Y if you can, but if you cannot, then the card stays where it was.
In the second case, you can always do the search, and you always add the card to your hand (unless of course you are at the hand limit).

A,P@N is an example of the first case, since it tells you what to do with your searched for card. Cupbearer looks like it might be an example of the first case, but is actually an example of the second case, with an additional ability after the search. Notice the ability doesn't say what to do with the searched for card, it just says what you can do after the search (as a separate ability). Cupbearer probably should have had clearer wording to separate the two abilities, as follows:

"You may capture this character to opponent's land of bondage to search discard pile for a Genesis character (or Genesis Artifact). You may add your Genesis character to battle."
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Re: Nob Q
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2013, 03:54:49 PM »
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Alright, thanks for the clarification!
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