Author Topic: New Jerusalem poll (Read 16872 times)

TXJonathan · « **on:** November 23, 2008, 02:47:05 PM »

I strongly believe that the New Jerusalem dominant should only be allowed in Type II. Whoever thinks that it should post yes and those against post no.

Yes

DaClock · « **Reply #1 on:** November 23, 2008, 02:52:57 PM »

I agree that it should only be legal in T2.

JSB23 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 23, 2008, 02:59:34 PM »

No, Because then why don't we ban AoCP in T2 Or deck discard in T1?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #3 on:** November 23, 2008, 03:00:18 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on November 23, 2008, 02:59:34 PM

No, Because then why don't we ban AoCP in T2 Or deck discard in T1?

Cuz neither of them instantly end a game with no counter.

thestrongangel · « **Reply #4 on:** November 23, 2008, 03:21:41 PM »

No, NJ should be legal in T1 and T2

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2008, 03:26:36 PM »

Why do you think it should be banned?

thestrongangel · « **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2008, 03:33:56 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on November 23, 2008, 03:26:36 PM

Why do you think it should be banned?

My question also

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** November 23, 2008, 03:34:27 PM »

I've been a proponent of banning NJ in T1 for years now.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2008, 03:39:03 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on November 23, 2008, 03:26:36 PM

Why do you think it should be banned?

Aotl (1 ls) Sog (2) aocp(3) zeal (4) NJ(5). Without NJ you need 1 more r.a. to win.

The Quadfather · « **Reply #9 on:** November 23, 2008, 03:40:09 PM »

I vote NJ stays...

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #10 on:** November 23, 2008, 03:40:28 PM »

Quote from: The Quadfather on November 23, 2008, 03:40:09 PM

I vote NJ stays...

Says the defenseless man

soul seeker · « **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2008, 04:09:11 PM »

First, I think no cards should be banned or limited for any reason...it starts you down a VERY slippery slope...for reference just look above: AoCp is already getting mentioned.

Second, in past threads, we have already seen the polarized opinions of those who like certain cards (like NJ, AoCp, Uma and Thumim) and those that don't. This is just another one of those threads that hopefully Rob Anderson and other playtesters don't take too serious (other than for informational purposes to help future sets).

Third, @ RR, some of those cards you listed are rarely guaranteed lost souls anymore. AoTL and AoCp come to immediate mind with all the deck staple counters like Unknown Nation.

Finally, if you don't like the card...build counters too it. Altar of Ahaz, the crimson Dom discarder (name eludes me), Confusion and so forth.

I repeat my first point for emphasis: it is dangerous to begin to make a list of banned or "limited" cards.

777Godspeed · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2008, 04:13:34 PM »

I think T1 should be to 6 Lost Souls to offset NJ, rather than banning it.

Godspeed,
Mike

The Guardian · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2008, 04:22:31 PM »

Quote from: 777Godspeed on November 23, 2008, 04:13:34 PM

I think T1 should be to 6 Lost Souls to offset NJ, rather than banning it.

Godspeed,
Mike

I've been saying that for years also...

thestrongangel · « **Reply #14 on:** November 23, 2008, 04:22:51 PM »

or we could leave it the way it is

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #15 on:** November 23, 2008, 04:23:26 PM »

Quote from: soul seeker on November 23, 2008, 04:09:11 PM

First, I think no cards should be banned or limited for any reason...it starts you down a VERY slippery slope...for reference just look above: AoCp is already getting mentioned.

Second, in past threads, we have already seen the polarized opinions of those who like certain cards (like NJ, AoCp, Uma and Thumim) and those that don't. This is just another one of those threads that hopefully Rob Anderson and other playtesters don't take too serious (other than for informational purposes to help future sets).

Third, @ RR, some of those cards you listed are rarely guaranteed lost souls anymore. AoTL and AoCp come to immediate mind with all the deck staple counters like Unknown Nation.

Finally, if you don't like the card...build counters too it. Altar of Ahaz, the crimson Dom discarder (name eludes me), Confusion and so forth.

I repeat my first point for emphasis: it is dangerous to begin to make a list of banned or "limited" cards.

I know they aren't free ls but I was just showing how it makes it a game to 3 unless you hit their sog or NJ with a hand/deck d/c card. If we made t1 to 6 we'd have to make t2 to 8.

Isildur · « **Reply #16 on:** November 23, 2008, 04:45:09 PM »

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First, I think no cards should be banned or limited for any reason...it starts you down a VERY slippery slope...for reference just look above: AoCp is already getting mentioned.

+ 1 to this It would also seem odd to ban that one card all of the sudden when no other card has been banned before.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #17 on:** November 23, 2008, 05:10:37 PM »

Quote from: Isildur on November 23, 2008, 04:45:09 PM

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First, I think no cards should be banned or limited for any reason...it starts you down a VERY slippery slope...for reference just look above: AoCp is already getting mentioned.
+ 1 to this It would also seem odd to ban that one card all of the sudden when no other card has been banned before.

I agree, as much as I'd like to see NJ banned from t1, I dont want stuff banned just cuz some people say its 'too good'.

thestrongangel · « **Reply #18 on:** November 23, 2008, 05:16:55 PM »

+ 1 to RR

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #19 on:** November 23, 2008, 05:59:23 PM »

I hope no card is ever banned from Redemption...except maybe Haman's Plot, since I think that card should never have been made in the first place. - I mean, eventually it'll be so rare that...well...does anyone else agree with me on this?

Tsavong Lah · « **Reply #20 on:** November 23, 2008, 06:00:59 PM »

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I've been a proponent of banning NJ in T1 for years now.

That's what you have type NW for. I've played enough games to know that the cutesy little phrase that SoG+NJ+AotL+(insert CBN battlewinner)+(insert CBN battlewinner)=win is false; you have no idea how many times I've played Zeal on Phinehas (or any other CBN battlewinner) to win the battle only to have the only available LS buried, or be given half of the 2-liner and then have it buried, or be given a LS and have it Falling Away'd, or have Phinehas get CM'd, or have Unknown Nation used on me because I didn't have DoN to kill it, or to have my opponent use SoG+NJ to rescue a shuffler or the only two LSs available in their LoB, or... the list goes on. In most of the games I play I am forced to make at least five successful rescues just with heroes because of all of the previously mentioned ways to deny a LS to people who have already won a battle, so when my SoG+NJ comes I am usually quite relieved. Redemption is complex and layered enough to have numerous counters to even the "strongest" cards, so banning anything is just stupid and will only lead to worse things.

Just my thoughts.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** November 23, 2008, 06:05:13 PM »

*applause*

JSB23 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 23, 2008, 06:05:47 PM »

Quote from: Tsavong Lah on November 23, 2008, 06:00:59 PM

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I've been a proponent of banning NJ in T1 for years now.

That's what you have type NW for. I've played enough games to know that the cutesy little phrase that SoG+NJ+AotL+(insert CBN battlewinner)+(insert CBN battlewinner)=win is false; you have no idea how many times I've played Zeal on Phinehas (or any other CBN battlewinner) to win the battle only to have the only available LS buried, or be given half of the 2-liner and then have it buried, or be given a LS and have it Falling Away'd, or have Phinehas get CM'd, or have Unknown Nation used on me because I didn't have DoN to kill it, or to have my opponent use SoG+NJ to rescue a shuffler or the only two LSs available in their LoB, or... the list goes on. In most of the games I play I am forced to make at least five successful rescues just with heroes because of all of the previously mentioned ways to deny a LS to people who have already won a battle, so when my SoG+NJ comes I am usually quite relieved. Redemption is complex and layered enough to have numerous counters to even the "strongest" cards, so banning anything is just stupid and will only lead to worse things.

Just my thoughts.

Excellent

redemption99 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2008, 08:05:55 PM »

i do not support banning of any cards

Reggie Flores · « **Reply #24 on:** November 23, 2008, 08:28:09 PM »

I've always wanted to ban all dominants.

But then here comes RR, saying if that were the case, Artifacts will rule the day.

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