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Quote from: Master KChief on July 09, 2009, 09:36:50 PM

...sog/nj has no risk, but a huge reward. its broken. ban one, or both ideally.

    Ban Jesus from a Christian card game.      Wow.

we're not banning jesus. we're banning a card. from a card game. wow. some people take this game considerably too seriously.

Dont forget he also took 2nd place from me at the MW Regionals in type 2 two player ...

and then CRIED about it due to people showing up late and their byes and such.  If only HE had played Jonathan Pequinot, then maybe he could have had something to cry about like me...

I'd wanna play him just for that name.
Man! What a handle!

theres a difference between being heavily involved in a video game, and thinking master chief is the next messiah.

Sooooo...... which one are you again? 

Quote from: Master KChief on July 10, 2009, 12:19:48 PM

theres a difference between being heavily involved in a video game, and thinking master chief is the next messiah.

Sooooo...... which one are you again? 

haha. touche

I don't get the impression that he was giving you a full dissertation on his reasoning.  Just pointing out that making a Christian card game and then banning Jesus from tournament play seems to send a strange message.

but my point is, isnt that a bit biased? giving special treatment (in this case, power, exemption from banning) to a card just because its related to jesus? in my opinion that doesnt fuel a balanced environment, which was my original point. i see yours as well though, and im sort of in agreement with that; the son of god card should be more powerful than other cards...but not at the level its currently at. perhaps a good multi-colored enhancement that read 'rescue any lost soul in play. cannot be negated' would help alleviate that power.

I think SoG is and always has been a necessary part of the game. Yes, it's overpowered, but everyone has it and it's not a guaranteed Lost Soul (Denying Blame, Confusion, etc.). A good chance at getting 20% of what you need to win, with the risk of FA counterbalancing it is ok. The problem started when with just one more card, you could get 40%, and then became worse with the advent of GoyS. I'm not advocating banning either one, just pointing out that when the 5 LS to win rule was made, there was no NJ, and soon after there was a FA. Now, there is both NJ and GoyS but the LS requirement is the same.

I still don't think the solution is to ban NJ. Cactus has recently been focused on balancing the game by introducing new cards that are useful both as counters to old cards and as new strategies; something like that is the solution to this problem, if anything. Justin's comment that "we want to see what effect TexP will have on the game before making such a drastic change" indicates, to me, that the next set probably has at least a few cards that may affect the way people use SoG/NJ.

You can try to  balance the game by making counters, but when you eliminate the option to ban cards the power curve only goes up. In short eventually counters and counters to counters won't be enough.

*cough cough* matrix trilogy...

i liked the matrix trilogy, but you said 'great'...

As has been previously stated, Rob is not against banning cards solely for the sake of having zero banned cards. It's a plus yes, but he's not "eliminating the option," instead rather viewing it as a very last resort option.

GoYS is not a problem at all

As has been previously stated, Rob is not against banning cards solely for the sake of having zero banned cards. It's a plus yes, but he's not "eliminating the option," instead rather viewing it as a very last resort option.

All I know is Nathan Mashuda asked him straight up if he would ever ban cards, and he said no.