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Offline Minister Polarius

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Nero a Magician
« on: September 15, 2010, 12:54:59 AM »
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Pliny is convinced Nero was a magician. Enough?
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 01:11:46 AM »
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wut?
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 09:53:51 AM »
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Nope.  You have to convince Rob.
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 11:01:37 AM »
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Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 15, 2010, 12:54:59 AM
Pliny is convinced Nero was a magician. Enough?

Source? I'm all for arguing the point if it can be reasonably sourced. Since the reference for Nero is extra-biblical, I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to use extra-biblical evidence for any other identifiers for him.
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 11:06:28 AM »
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Most likely Pliny is the source.  Pliny the Younger was a Roman historian during the 1st century.  He is akin to Josephus (except that Josephus was Jewish).
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 11:09:08 AM »
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Quote from: soul seeker on September 15, 2010, 11:06:28 AM
Most likely Pliny is the source.  Pliny the Younger was a Roman historian during the 1st century.  He is akin to Josephus (except that Josephus was Jewish).

I got that from Pol's quote. I was hoping someone could point out where Pliny said he believed Nero to be a magician.
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 11:10:35 AM »
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As long as charms doesn't work on him, I'd be all for it.

Daniel

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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 11:14:04 AM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on September 15, 2010, 11:09:08 AM
Quote from: soul seeker on September 15, 2010, 11:06:28 AM
Most likely Pliny is the source.  Pliny the Younger was a Roman historian during the 1st century.  He is akin to Josephus (except that Josephus was Jewish).

I got that from Pol's quote. I was hoping someone could point out where Pliny said he believed Nero to be a magician.
Oh, okay.  I wasn't trying to insult anyone's intelligence, and just trying to be helpful.  With 2 of the 3 posts above questioning what Pol was talking about...I assumed others must be wondering as well and volunteered the info. 

My class has not made me read Pliny, so only Pol can probably help with the actual quoting of Pliny.
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 11:25:46 AM »
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Doing a quick Google search, I found a few links that said Nero never successfully practiced magic, though he was very into magicians and attempting to become one for a significant portion of his life:

http://www.espr-archeologia.it/articles/251/Nero-and-the-magic

http://books.google.com/books?id=30Wa-l9B5IoC&pg=PA227&lpg=PA227&dq=pliny+nero+magician&source=bl&ots=nw3fglYZqq&sig=uv7NO8QWK3VwYrcXnG-qjakVxhc&hl=en&ei=a-OQTO3mMJnfnQfCiZ20DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://home.earthlink.net/~xristos/GoldenDawn/arbatel.htm

"Pliny expresses a rather an interesting concept when he states that those sorcerers who had written down their spells and recipes despised and hated humanity (for spreading their lies perhaps?). To show this Pliny link arts of the magicians of Rome with the emperor Nero (who of course is often portrayed negatively), whom Pliny claims had studied magic with the best teachers and had access to the best books, but was unable to do anything extraordinary."
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 11:58:10 AM »
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So he was like a wannabe wizard?

Daniel

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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 12:00:39 PM »
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Sounds like it!
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 12:30:29 PM »
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New promo anyone? :P

Emperor Nero (promo)
[Same Stats/Verse | Grey(/Pale Green?) | Same Identifiers]
Immune to lone heroes. Discard all Roman sites. May search deck for Magic Charms or a Magician.
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Re: Nero a Magician
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2010, 01:33:10 PM »
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What is Redemption's definition of a Magician? Does it say anything about them being very good?
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