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Re: Negating the Throne of David?
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2018, 12:04:40 PM »
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I agree--as long as you keep in mind that sometimes it won't actually get to be carried out.  ;)

Well, Throne actually never triggers in that scenario.  Because if it did, it would work, even if an evil weapon ended up in battle.

I'm pretty sure there's no way to get Throne triggered properly, and then get an evil weapon in battle by special ability before Throne gets to activate its pending ability.  But if there was, Throne would still work.
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Re: Negating the Throne of David?
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2018, 01:38:43 PM »
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I'm pretty sure there's no way to get Throne triggered properly, and then get an evil weapon in battle by special ability before Throne gets to activate its pending ability.  But if there was, Throne would still work.

I believe the bolded part above to be false. The condition is checked both at the time of the trigger and again at the time it resolves.
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Re: Negating the Throne of David?
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2018, 01:42:01 PM »
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I see here I was wrong about pending abilities. I would ask then if the conditions for the original trigger still have to be true when the pending trigger finally fires.

They do not.  When the trigger is met, it's met.  At that point, the ongoing ability is no longer an ongoing trigger, it's a pending triggered ability.  It will wait patiently while other abilities complete, and it doesn't care if those other abilities change the game state to one that would not have originally triggered the ongoing ability. 

Goliath triggering YWR is about the best example, in my opinion:
     - YWR is triggered by Goliath's Withdraw ability
     - YWR's "Banish this card to add your hero to battle" ability is now trying to activate and is waiting for Goliath to finish
     - Goliath allows opponent to present a new hero
     - Once Goliath is done and a hero is presented, YWR gets to activate
     - YWR doesn't care that a hero is in battle; the ability at this point is "Banish this card to add your hero to battle"

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Re: Negating the Throne of David?
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2018, 02:10:27 PM »
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^^Also false.
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Re: Negating the Throne of David?
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2018, 02:30:42 PM »
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Well I read up and down the rules and I can't seem to find anywhere that states that a trigger checks twice can you point me in the right direction then?

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Re: Negating the Throne of David?
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2018, 04:36:28 PM »
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^^Also false.

Then the YWR/Goliath scenario needs reevaluated.  Aggie was quite sure that it worked as I described, based on the definitions provided in the REG.

The condition is checked both at the time of the trigger and again at the time it resolves.

This doesn't make logical sense to me.  If a trigger is tripped, it's tripped.  At that point, it doesn't reset itself and say "I need to get tripped again" - it's simply trying to carry out the Pending Ability that activates when the trigger is tripped. 
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Re: Negating the Throne of David?
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2018, 10:13:34 AM »
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The condition is checked both at the time of the trigger and again at the time it resolves.
So basically, neither blocking with Nebuchadnezzar and equipping Every Man's Sword nor blocking with Lahmi equipped with his Spear and discarding it would trigger Throne? Or would it not trigger until the "block" is completed due to all evil abilities on cards in battle completing, thus leaving no weapon in battle when it triggers in the second scenario?

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Re: Negating the Throne of David?
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2018, 12:04:02 PM »
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So basically, neither blocking with Nebuchadnezzar and equipping Every Man's Sword nor blocking with Lahmi equipped with his Spear and discarding it would trigger Throne? Or would it not trigger until the "block" is completed due to all evil abilities on cards in battle completing, thus leaving no weapon in battle when it triggers in the second scenario?
From what I understand after playing Throne, if the second scenario is discarding the only king in battle, then Throne will not trigger. If, after Spear is discarded, there remains a king in battle, I think (but am unsure) that Throne would check after abilities resolve, and finding no weapons in battle, it can trigger.

 


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