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See it this way. Throne trigger cannot insert itself in the midst of abilities. Just like you can’t play Doms when a character’s special ability isn’t done.
Another way to look is throne checks after all abilities. Never sees a king, doesn't trigger. This is how it has consistently been ruled.
Quote from: Xonathan on July 20, 2018, 05:44:07 PMSee it this way. Throne trigger cannot insert itself in the midst of abilities. Just like you can’t play Doms when a character’s special ability isn’t done.Quote from: Cnakeeyes on July 21, 2018, 01:38:39 PMAnother way to look is throne checks after all abilities. Never sees a king, doesn't trigger. This is how it has consistently been ruled.These are both false. See this thread, where it is determined that ongoing abilities can be triggered mid-ability, and at that point are merely waiting for all already-active abilities to complete so they can activate their triggered ability.I tried to find the "Triggered Ability" section in the new REG but wasn't able to. We should confirm that it is still worded the same.
Triggered Effect An ability with a triggered effect has an effect that is waiting for event to occur be activated. A triggered effect always has a condition that is checking for an event to happen. Triggered effects may be ongoing or instant. When a card with an ability with a triggered effect is played, the condition activates and begins checking for the triggering event to happen, and the condition is triggered when the event happens. Triggered effects may be optional or mandatory. Optional triggered effects will be designated with a “may” or similar wording, while mandatory triggered effects simply describe the outcome without giving a choice. Mandatory triggered effects that are not negated persist at least until the end of the current phase, even if the card leaves play or set aside, unless otherwise specified on the card. If the triggering event deactivates the ability without interrupting or negating it, then the triggered effect can still be activated. If the triggering event activates the ability, then the triggered effect can still be activated. Otherwise, optional triggered effects may only be activated while the card it is on is controlled by the holder and is either in play, Land of Redemption or set-aside area. While the condition of a triggered effect is triggered by an event happening, the effect may not activate until there are no effects resolving. Abilities with triggered effects that are waiting to activate are pending abilities. If multiple triggered effects are attempting to activate at the same time, the active player activates all mandatory effects they control in the order they choose, then whether to activate all their optional effects in the order they choose. During the Battle Phase, then the defender activates all mandatory effects they control in the order they choose, then whether to activate all their optional effects in the order they choose. Then inactive players activate all mandatory effects they control in the order they choose, then whether to activate all their optional effects in the order they choose, in turn order around the table. Pending Pending abilities are abilities that are waiting for the effects of other abilities to resolve. Effects are resolving when they are activating or completing. Abilities with triggered effects that are waiting for other effects to resolve are pending effect activation. Interrupted abilities that are waiting for other effects to resolve are pending reactivation. REG 5.1
semantics point:-Throne's ability cannot be inserted in the middle of another ability, but a trigger can happen in the middle of another ability (essentially becoming a suspended trigger whose ability is waiting for the next opportunity to become activate) - right?
I see here I was wrong about pending abilities. I would ask then if the conditions for the original trigger still have to be true when the pending trigger finally fires.
When will an official ruling be made on how the original question takes effect? I'm just curious.
If I make a rescue attempt with a purple King and my opponent blocks with Brown / Crimson Outsiders and goes and gets the image of the Beast can he negate the play ability off of The Throne of David?I think that as soon as Outsiders enters battle Throne triggers and the playability can't be interrupted but the draw can be negated is this correct?
No, Throne checks for a trigger after Outsider's ability completes but by then it's negated.
That one I know is a "no" because it's an optional triggered ability and thus the card must remain in play in order to resolve.
Quote from: SiLeNcEd_MaTrIx on July 23, 2018, 09:59:13 AMWhen will an official ruling be made on how the original question takes effect? I'm just curious. Quote from: Jeremystair on July 20, 2018, 08:58:42 AMIf I make a rescue attempt with a purple King and my opponent blocks with Brown / Crimson Outsiders and goes and gets the image of the Beast can he negate the play ability off of The Throne of David?I think that as soon as Outsiders enters battle Throne triggers and the playability can't be interrupted but the draw can be negated is this correct? Quote from: Xonathan on July 20, 2018, 09:09:18 AMNo, Throne checks for a trigger after Outsider's ability completes but by then it's negated.Quote from: The Guardian on July 20, 2018, 10:28:59 AMThe original question was answered in the first reply and confirmed by an elder in the 2nd. What else is needed?
Don't by any means think I was being disrespectful or trying to argue. It just seemed when Justin posted "That one I know is a "no" because it's an optional triggered ability and thus the card must remain in play in order to resolve." he is stating he knows that for sure but the other answers he is given aren't for sure. My apologies.
My second question If I put a purple King in battle and my opponent exchanges the purple King with a red warrior in my territory does throne still trigger off of the purple King that was in battle?
If so do I get to play a purple enhancement and would a rainbow card be considered purple to satisfy Thrones ability and red in order to play on the red hero?
I guess I'm asking when do you choose the May ability right away when it triggers or you choose the May ability after the evil characters abilities completed?
QuoteI guess I'm asking when do you choose the May ability right away when it triggers or you choose the May ability after the evil characters abilities completed?After.
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