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From what I understand, if a card allows you to reveal more than one card from a deck, you may choose the order they are returned to the deck. What happens if the reveal ability is negated? Do the cards need to return to the order they were in? This could be difficult if there were a lot of cards revealed...

Also, if we take a situation of "reveal the top ten cards of your deck and take up to two evil enhancements there into your hand" (yes, I made that up as an example). If this ability was later negated, what would happen? Would the evil enhancements return to my deck? Would they have to be put back in the order they had been in? What if I can't remember the order?

Thanks for your help!
Ken

From what I understand, if a card allows you to reveal more than one card from a deck, you may choose the order they are returned to the deck. What happens if the reveal ability is negated? Do the cards need to return to the order they were in? This could be difficult if there were a lot of cards revealed...

Also, if we take a situation of "reveal the top ten cards of your deck and take up to two evil enhancements there into your hand" (yes, I made that up as an example). If this ability was later negated, what would happen? Would the evil enhancements return to my deck? Would they have to be put back in the order they had been in? What if I can't remember the order?

Thanks for your help!
Ken

I'm guessing a reveal such as that would by necessity be similar to an ability that shuffles your deck, i.e., the reveal part of it cannot be interrupted. I would then have to say that if you revealed and took cards like that, then you would take the amount of cards revealed back from the place you put them, shuffle the revealed stack with the cards you took, and put it back where it was revealed from. The only card I can think of like that that can be interrupted is Divination played in battle (which it rarely is) so ideally the situation would rarely come up.

The only card I can think of like that that can be interrupted is Divination played in battle (which it rarely is) so ideally the situation would rarely come up.

Divination is CBI.

Quote from: Ken4Christ4ever on July 11, 2011, 01:47:28 PM

From what I understand, if a card allows you to reveal more than one card from a deck, you may choose the order they are returned to the deck.

Just to clarify, cards revealed from a deck stay where they were, in the same order. When they are placed on the bottom of deck, they can be placed in any order.

Can you give an example of a "reveal and place on bottom" that can be negated?

*INSTAPOSTED*

Also, YMT is correct with his clarification, in case you are wondering.

Wait wut.

Quote from: Ken4Christ4ever on July 11, 2011, 01:47:28 PM

From what I understand, if a card allows you to reveal more than one card from a deck, you may choose the order they are returned to the deck.

Just to clarify, cards revealed from a deck stay where they were, in the same order. When they are placed on the bottom of deck, they can be placed in any order.

Can you give an example of a "reveal and place on bottom" that can be negated?

When did this happen? I always thought the rule was if the card doesn't specify you can put them back in any order.
I thought someone (maybe it was me  ) asked this question recently about Eve and was told that.

Ok, so I'm not the only one who has been playing it that way... Now we have two threads with two very different conclusions. Help?

There is really no good reason why revealed cards can be ordered on bottom but not on top when the abilities, like Pol said, are not specific.

We have cards that specify that you may put them in any order, if it doesnt say you can, you probably cant. and if your going to pull the "it doesnt say I cant so I can' argument we are going to have to start making the cards a lot bigger so we can list all the things cards cant do

Thanks for the explanation, YourMathTeacher!

So... if I use Eve and have about 8 characters in play, and since it is a reveal I have to show my opponent, what if some cards get mixed up/dropped/shuffled somehow. Do I get D/Q'd for cheating?
Serious question.

YMT is correct on his clarification making Professor Alstad correct for agreeing with YMT's correctness. Ironically I'd never realized that cards like Eve required that the revealed cards are returned in the same order. I guess an old dog can learn new tricks from time to time.

Stop with the old references already. Now where are.my teeth?

They're in the New REG. You'll get them back soon. 

Sidenote: We need a toothless smile emoticon.

This is very news to me. If revealed cards are no longer replaced in the order of the revealer's choosing, there should be an announcement thread or a post in ruling updates.

If you've been returning revealed cards, that are being returned to the exact same location, in any order you choose, then like me you've been playing it wrong.

I made the assumption that it was the correct play because that's how most "reveal" cards (the Revealer LS, Seeker of the Lost, Suzy, etc) are played. Those cards work that way because the reveal is paired with a place ability. That's what the old REG has said for years.

Place

Cards placed in a draw pile typically specify a particular location in the draw pile (e.g., bottom).  If a player must place multiple cards at the same time, that player may choose the order of the cards being placed.

You're correct that it will be a change for you and I, but not because the rules of Redemption have changed, because we've been playing it wrong.