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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2010, 02:39:22 PM »
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Nope, still won't matter.
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2010, 08:16:43 PM »
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A far more likely one, you draw both Negate-alls in 1 draw phase in T2.
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2010, 09:15:28 PM »
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when you have multiple triggers trying to activate at the same time you choose what order the triggers activate in.

next phase:
1. ls trigger
2. ls trigger
1. ls activate
2. ls negated

Luke 19_10 (Di)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Beginning in the phase after this card is put in play, negate all special abilities on Lost Soul cards (except this one). • Identifiers: None • Verse: Luke 19:10 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

In the case of a Mayhem play, and both players draw thier FBTN LS the active player chooses what order the triggers activate. Im not sure who the active player would be in this game. Either the player who took the last action or whose turn it is...
« Last Edit: December 03, 2010, 09:18:09 PM by RTSmaniac »
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2010, 03:36:55 AM »
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It literally doesn't matter ever. I consider it a compliment that other people are saying as much as well, but I'm the one getting thumbed down. lol u mad?
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2010, 09:04:46 AM »
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Exhibit A: An answer that I understand and I see reasoning.

Quote from: RTSmaniac on December 03, 2010, 09:15:28 PM
when you have multiple triggers trying to activate at the same time you choose what order the triggers activate in.

next phase:
1. ls trigger
2. ls trigger
1. ls activate
2. ls negated

Luke 19_10 (Di)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Beginning in the phase after this card is put in play, negate all special abilities on Lost Soul cards (except this one). • Identifiers: None • Verse: Luke 19:10 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

In the case of a Mayhem play, and both players draw thier FBTN LS the active player chooses what order the triggers activate. Im not sure who the active player would be in this game. Either the player who took the last action or whose turn it is...

Exhibit B: An answer possibly, but with no reason to justify it, I disregard it.
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Nope, still won't matter.

Thank you both.
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2010, 09:10:21 PM »
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Here's what happens when there are two FBTN LS's drawn at any point in the game: If they are drawn in the same phase, and they activate on the following phase, you choose the order of activation, sure. But I don't see it really mattering at all: as soon as one of them leaves play (or is negated by Ears to Hear, lol), the other is no longer negated, and then starts negating all other LS's. Just like you can play Son of God on the shuffler immediately after burying the Thorns LS, Lost Souls SA's are only active for as long as they are in play and not negated (with the exception of anti-burial, which is just weird). So like I have said, and Polarius has said, I don't think it will ever matter which activates first, and there is no time in between one leaving play/being negated and another negating all LSs.

I don't see anything broken, inconsistent, or logically troubling with that, so unless someone besides Rawrlolsauce! ( ;)) can demonstrate otherwise, I will rule it that way.
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2010, 10:12:14 PM »
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what i dont understand is why a ruling would change from one to another just based on if it was "broken" or not. fun and fellowship of the game? pretty soon wouldnt it seem inevitable that these changes in rulings would indirectly affect other rulings as well?
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2010, 09:49:30 AM »
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Quote from: RTSmaniac on December 04, 2010, 10:12:14 PM
what i dont understand is why a ruling would change from one to another just based on if it was "broken" or not. fun and fellowship of the game? pretty soon wouldnt it seem inevitable that these changes in rulings would indirectly affect other rulings as well?
chamber of angels + i am holy is coming back to haunt you... wooooooo...
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2010, 12:38:45 PM »
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2010, 11:30:15 PM »
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Quote from: RTSmaniac on December 04, 2010, 10:12:14 PM
what i dont understand is why a ruling would change from one to another just based on if it was "broken" or not. fun and fellowship of the game? pretty soon wouldnt it seem inevitable that these changes in rulings would indirectly affect other rulings as well?

It wouldn't, but if a ruling isn't set in stone/obvious already, then broken situations are considered as part of the formula for deciding upon the ruling. If a ruling could go either way based on precedent/logic, then it will probably lean toward the side of avoiding brokenness if possible.

Quote from: The M on December 05, 2010, 09:49:30 AM
chamber of angels + i am holy is coming back to haunt you... wooooooo...

That ruling was not changed because it was broken, in fact, according to Rob, it was never changed at all. Someone thought it worked a long time ago, and it was never questioned until "instead" abilities came in vogue and needed to be more clearly defined. The ruling was really an effect of "instead" being defined, and had nothing to do with supposed brokenness of the combo.
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2010, 02:14:35 PM »
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chamber of angels + i am holy is coming back to haunt you... wooooooo...

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That ruling was not changed because it was broken, in fact, according to Rob, it was never changed at all. Someone thought it worked a long time ago, and it was never questioned until "instead" abilities came in vogue and needed to be more clearly defined. The ruling was really an effect of "instead" being defined, and had nothing to do with supposed brokenness of the combo.

Did I say it changed?
Nooooooooooo....
Did I say it would haunt you?
Yup.
Am I saying I like or dislike the ruling?
Noooooooooooo....
Am I saying it will affect a lot of controversial rulings in the future until we can get more playtesters?
Yup.

That's my opinion on the matter.
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2010, 05:11:05 PM »
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Quote from: The M on December 06, 2010, 02:14:35 PM
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chamber of angels + i am holy is coming back to haunt you... wooooooo...

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That ruling was not changed because it was broken, in fact, according to Rob, it was never changed at all. Someone thought it worked a long time ago, and it was never questioned until "instead" abilities came in vogue and needed to be more clearly defined. The ruling was really an effect of "instead" being defined, and had nothing to do with supposed brokenness of the combo.

Did I say it changed?
Nooooooooooo....
Did I say it would haunt you?
Yup.
Am I saying I like or dislike the ruling?
Noooooooooooo....
Am I saying it will affect a lot of controversial rulings in the future until we can get more playtesters?
Yup.

That's my opinion on the matter.

Did you quote a post that referred to ruling changes then make your statement?
Yup.
Would it therefore be logical for me to infer that you implied that I am Holy/Chamber was a ruling change?
Yup.
Did I say it wouldn't haunt you or me or anyone else?
Nooooooooooo...
Did I suggest anything about your opinion of the ruling?
Nooooooooooo...
Are you clairvoyant?
Doubtful

Those are the facts of the matter.
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2010, 10:58:47 PM »
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Everyone that thought Chamber+IamHoly worked, raise your hand. How many years has it been? Louisiana?

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That ruling was not changed because it was broken, in fact, according to Rob, it was never changed at all. Someone thought it worked a long time ago, and it was never questioned until "instead" abilities came in vogue and needed to be more clearly defined. The ruling was really an effect of "instead" being defined, and had nothing to do with supposed brokenness of the combo.

 ::) whatever. SO...I wander what else we take for granted that someone (all of us) thinks work and hasnt been questioned.
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Re: Negate all LS questions
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2010, 11:17:33 PM »
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*hand raised*.  It all comes down to what activates first.
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