Author Topic: Negate all LS questions (Read 5988 times)

The M · « **on:** November 29, 2010, 07:50:08 PM »

What happens if you draw 2 of them and lay them down at the exact same time?
Would they cancel out or would you say that the "first one" would negate the other?

Also, I'm a bit fuzzy about if the Hopper would be negated by the Negate all.
Would Hopper's ability:
(A) Work and go to opponent's territory.
(B) Be negated and go to your territory.
(C) Work, go to opponent's territory, become negated, and come back to your territory.

HELP!

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2010, 08:25:22 PM »

1. If they're both drawn at the same time, if it was the first draw of the game, the player's going first takes precedence. If they were both drawn by the same draw ability, whichever player's who played the card causing the draw takes precedence.

2. B

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2010, 08:31:35 PM »

Source for answer 1?

I agree though, that's logical and should be the rule.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2010, 09:22:36 PM »

1) Everything would be negated. You'd have to get both rescued to not have them negated

2) If you drew the hopper on the same phase, it would hop over but in a different phase it wouldn't

SomeKittens · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2010, 10:46:22 PM »

Quote from: thread title

negate all ls questions

Sounds more useful for the judge.

browarod · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2010, 05:17:16 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 29, 2010, 08:25:22 PM

2. B

This is incorrect, as that would mean the negater LS was targeting out-of-play cards. I think the answer is C, it hops but is negated so the end result is it goes to your territory like a normal LS.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2010, 05:20:10 PM »

The SA must activate to hop, so it has to go into play first. Although that makes me wonder what "when drawn" means.

The M · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2010, 07:37:54 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 29, 2010, 08:25:22 PM

1. If they're both drawn at the same time, if it was the first draw of the game, the player's going first takes precedence. If they were both drawn by the same draw ability, whichever player's who played the card causing the draw takes precedence.

What if they are both drawn by you at the same time?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2010, 10:53:19 PM »

Quote from: The M on November 30, 2010, 07:37:54 PM

Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 29, 2010, 08:25:22 PM
1. If they're both drawn at the same time, if it was the first draw of the game, the player's going first takes precedence. If they were both drawn by the same draw ability, whichever player's who played the card causing the draw takes precedence.

What if they are both drawn by you at the same time?

Then you chose. I can't think of a single situation in which it would matter, though.

browarod · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2010, 12:12:41 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 30, 2010, 10:53:19 PM

Quote from: The M on November 30, 2010, 07:37:54 PM
Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 29, 2010, 08:25:22 PM
1. If they're both drawn at the same time, if it was the first draw of the game, the player's going first takes precedence. If they were both drawn by the same draw ability, whichever player's who played the card causing the draw takes precedence.

What if they are both drawn by you at the same time?
Then you chose. I can't think of a single situation in which it would matter, though.

Would you choose at the time they enter play or at the time their ability would take effect?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2010, 12:50:13 PM »

Not a single situation was given that day.

browarod · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2010, 09:19:36 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 01, 2010, 12:50:13 PM

Not a single situation was given that day.

So? If you're not gonna answer the posed question(s) then don't post.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #12 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:28:44 AM »

Sometimes there's not an answer to a question because it's a bad question. Oftentimes people will try to be clever and ask questions about hypothetical situations that could occur due to make-believe cards. Seasoned players typically know not to answer these questions because they're irrelevant. There are enough ruling gaps on things that do matter to be splitting hairs about questions that literally do not matter.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #13 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:58:08 AM »

Scenario: You play Mayhem in your prep phase, and you draw 2x FBTN LSs. You put one in a site (assume opponent doesn't have access). Do you have to choose which one wins when you draw it or when it activates? It makes a difference, as if it is when drawn you have to guess if you want to have it active (put that one in a site) or you want it gone (keep it out of a site so opponent can rescue). Whereas if you decide when the negation kicks in, you'll have an opportunity to play something like U+T to help you decide.

Now, this scenario is far less likely (who plays with Mayhem?) and important than many fake scenarios I've thought of, but I digress....

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2010, 04:56:11 AM »

Doesn't matter. If one is negated, the other will kick in. If one is removed from play, it will keep working until the end of phase when the other kicks right back in.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2010, 07:13:09 AM »

Is there a single target LS negate anyway? They're all negate all, so anything negating one negate LS is a negating both negate LS.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2010, 08:30:57 AM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on December 02, 2010, 07:13:09 AM

Is there a single target LS negate anyway? They're all negate all, so anything negating one negate LS is a negating both negate LS.

What about Ears to Hear? Oh snap.

browarod · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2010, 01:05:42 PM »

Wouldn't the second negate LS "miss the timing" if the first and active one is removed from play after the phase in which they both enter play? The ability says something like "beginning the phase after this is put in play" so if it's negated beyond that, what game rule makes it suddenly activate and start working when the other one leaves play?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** December 02, 2010, 03:22:16 PM »

LS's refresh every phase.

browarod · « **Reply #19 on:** December 02, 2010, 11:27:15 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 02, 2010, 03:22:16 PM

LS's refresh every phase.

By that logic, wouldn't there then be a phase in between where they're not negated? The removed from play one still negates til end of phase, then the second would trigger and wait til the third phase.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2010, 11:29:48 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 02, 2010, 03:22:16 PM

LS's refresh every phase.

Can I get a source for that?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2010, 04:09:34 AM »

Logic. FbtN LS gets rescued, next phase do LS's work? Obviously yes, so backward extrapolation dictates that LS's refresh every phase.

No, there wouldn't be a phase in between, because every phase other than the one the card is drawn in is after "starting next phase" even if the SA is prevented at first.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2010, 08:52:26 AM »

Isn't there an AW enhancement that says "place on a soul to negate the ability" or something like that? If so, it matters.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2010, 11:05:12 AM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 03, 2010, 08:52:26 AM

Isn't there an AW enhancement that says "place on a soul to negate the ability" or something like that? If so, it matters.

Quote from: Professoralstad on December 02, 2010, 08:30:57 AM

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on December 02, 2010, 07:13:09 AM
Is there a single target LS negate anyway? They're all negate all, so anything negating one negate LS is a negating both negate LS.

What about Ears to Hear? Oh snap.

I'm still trying to think of any situation where it would matter which FBTN LS is active. Anyone care to provide one?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2010, 01:34:55 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on December 02, 2010, 02:58:08 AM

Scenario: You play Mayhem in your prep phase, and you draw 2x FBTN LSs. You put one in a site (assume opponent doesn't have access). Do you have to choose which one wins when you draw it or when it activates? It makes a difference, as if it is when drawn you have to guess if you want to have it active (put that one in a site) or you want it gone (keep it out of a site so opponent can rescue). Whereas if you decide when the negation kicks in, you'll have an opportunity to play something like U+T to help you decide.

Now, this scenario is far less likely (who plays with Mayhem?) and important than many fake scenarios I've thought of, but I digress....

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