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Peter would negate Foul Spirit's ability (in other words, he interrupts and prevents FS's negating ability from activating). If FS's ability was Cannot be Prevented or Cannot be Negated, then FS's special ability would still work and he would negate Peter's ability.

No, because it is prevented before it has a chance to interrupt.

Peter would negate Foul Spirit's ability (in other words, he interrupts and prevents FS's negating ability from activating). If FS's ability was Cannot be Prevented or Cannot be Negated, then FS's special ability would still work and he would negate Peter's ability.

That is not how negate is defined anymore.

How is Define now?

I'm not sure what Polarius means, perhaps he's giving a technical definition, but the newest edition of the REG says this about Negate (How to Play):

"A negate ability interrupts all specified special abilities and prevents them from reactivating. A negate ability also prevents targeted special abilities from ever being able to activate."

In regards to your original question about Peter negating Foul Spirit, the second part of the above definition is the most applicable to this scenario.  Maybe this is what Polarius was referring to.

I have another negate question. Do you have to have initiative in order to play a negate?

If I play play a 10/10 hero and my opponent  plays a 4/4 evil character and he plays a card that lets him search his deck but does not help him with numbers can I negate that? Or if he plays a capture card like net and captures a  hero in my territory can I negate that even though I still don't have initiative?

And does the same thing go for interrupts?

Hi all. I got out my cards out again and I have always wanted to see a good example of something about Negate... I have always wondered, would it be possible for something like this to happen: I play an enhancement that causes me to draw a card, so I do that and I get a Dominant, and I play it right then and there which lets me discard one of the Evil Characters in battle. Then, opponent plays an enhancement that negates my previous enhancement, the one that gave me the Dominant I just played. What is the ruling on something like that?

Dominants are cbn

Exactly so everything except the things which are cbi or cbn can be negated

Cards drawn return, dominant stays in dc pile

No. The dominant and any other CBN abilities would remain, as they cannot be negated.

The others would return, as they may be negated.

Unless you write a little longer explanation of how exactly it works, I will feel like you're misunderstanding my question

When the enhancement negates the draw ability, are you saying that it then also attempts to negate any cards that were drawn by that ability and have already been put in play?

Here's how the scenario would play out: your opponent plays a negate card (a negate interrupts an ability then prevents it from occurring) to undo the draw ability, but the dominant remains in the discard pile (because it was a played card and all played cards are cannot be interrupted) and the other evil character still remains discarded since all dominant abilities are cannot be negated. So if the only card that was drawn was the dominant then your opponent's negate card would, for this scenario, be an effectively pointless play.

To answer your question more directly, the negate attempts to interrupt and prevent the draw ability, not the played cards necessarily, but the negate of the draw would then cascade negate any of the abilities on the played cards unless those abilities are CBI or CBN.

Did this answer your question?

play abilities are cbi, cards played are not necessarily

Cbn is cbn so to answer your original question again with the same answer, the dom is cbn and goes to dc if played even after the draw is negated

Clear as mud? 

Thanks again! The mud is clear!

For anyone curious, here’s an example of the scenario I was asking about, from the I/J decks:

- Player Good Guy starts rescue attempt with Andrew. Player Bad Guy blocks with Unclean Spirit.
- Unclean Spirit “May band to a human Evil Character” and so he bands to Emperor Tiberius.
- Emperor Tiberius “Look at opponent’s hand and under deck a Dominant from that hand.” - Bad Guy looks at Good Guy’s hand and behold, there are no Dominants.
- Good Guy has initiative (losing by numbers) because Emperor Tiberius is no joke (10/11). Good Guy plays Loaves and Fishes, which makes each player draw 2 cards.
- Good Guy still has initiative (still losing by numbers), but one of the cards he just drew was Angel of the Lord, so he plays it to discard Emperor Tiberius.
- Bad Guy now only has Unclean Spirit in the battle and has initiative due to losing by numbers. Bad Guy plays Evil Strength to negate and discard the last good enhancement played in battle. So the draw ability on Loaves and Fishes is negated.
- Bad Guy returns the cards he drew (both are still in hand) to the deck. Good Guy can return one of his cards because it’s still in hand, but the other has been played…

Then Good Guy wonders how he is supposed to know what to do in this situation.

Sounds like the ruling is “negate any cards drawn by the targeted draw ability that have since been played.”

Let me know if I’ve got something wrong in the example. Thanks!