Author Topic: Nebuchadnezzar a CTB Hero? (Read 9200 times)

Minister Polarius · « **on:** November 01, 2009, 07:12:41 PM »

Nebuchadnezzar says to add a Crimson card in your draw pile to battle if your opponent has no Daniel Heroes, CBN. Is there any reason why it wouldn't work as a Hero?

JSB23 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 01, 2009, 07:30:52 PM »

It conflicts with the theme of the game

Sean · « **Reply #2 on:** November 01, 2009, 07:35:23 PM »

How does adding a character to battle conflict with the them of the game?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2009, 07:47:02 PM »

I thought it was ruled before that "Add to battle" with a character was the same as banding. A CTB ability must specifically say Choose the Blocker.

I dont have proof to back myself up, but this is my very strong gut response.

The Guardian · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2009, 09:12:31 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on November 01, 2009, 07:47:02 PM

I thought it was ruled before that "Add to battle" with a character was the same as banding. A CTB ability must specifically say Choose the Blocker.

I dont have proof to back myself up, but this is my very strong gut response.

I agree with this.

browarod · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2009, 09:32:17 PM »

I suppose the effect would be similar to Woman at the Well's. They both would be good cards that search for evil cards. I can see it going both ways.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2009, 10:05:51 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on November 01, 2009, 07:47:02 PM

I thought it was ruled before that "Add to battle" with a character was the same as banding.

This is only true if there was already a character on that side of the battle. Polarius is suggesting adding a character to the other side of the battle, which is subsequently why it will not work.

When you RA, your opponent presents a blocker. In the case of CtB, you choose the character, but the opponent still presents the blocker (per the REG). A converted Neb would have to present the blocker in Polarius' scenario (since he is adding a character) and the rules do not allow that.

lightningninja · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2009, 10:32:48 PM »

Yeah it doesn't work that way. Also, searching for an evil card is an "evil" ability and therefore doesn't work.

Gabe · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2009, 10:37:24 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on November 01, 2009, 10:32:48 PM

Also, searching for an evil card is an "evil" ability and therefore doesn't work.

That doesn't have anything to do with the current rule for abilities converting. I know where you're coming from because I still get stuck in that old line of thinking sometimes.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2009, 12:04:08 AM »

It doesn't harm a hero, I see no reason for it to not work. (I'm not sure why you would want to convert Neb though, he's an AWESOME EC)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #10 on:** November 02, 2009, 12:08:17 AM »

But I could use him to get Crimson into my hand, right?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2009, 12:12:50 AM »

I would think so... You can look for evil stuff with Search...

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2009, 12:20:16 AM »

That doesn't have anything to do with it anymore.

Gabe · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2009, 08:56:18 AM »

Neb would still add an OT crimson evil card to your hand. If he's a Hero he cannot add an evil card to your side of the battle and you're not allowed to add cards to the opponent's side of the battle unless it's a CTB ability.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #14 on:** November 02, 2009, 09:16:51 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on November 02, 2009, 08:56:18 AM

Neb would still add an OT crimson evil card to your hand. If he's a Hero he cannot add an evil card to your side of the battle and you're not allowed to add cards to the opponent's side of the battle unless it's a CTB ability.

Bryon · « **Reply #15 on:** November 02, 2009, 09:50:23 AM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on November 02, 2009, 09:16:51 AM

Quote from: BrianGabe on November 02, 2009, 08:56:18 AM
Neb would still add an OT crimson evil card to your hand. If he's a Hero he cannot add an evil card to your side of the battle and you're not allowed to add cards to the opponent's side of the battle unless it's a CTB ability.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #16 on:** November 02, 2009, 10:37:57 AM »

I'm glad to know the band all Hero/EC cards are now broken, then

(eg: Siege)

Professoralstad · « **Reply #17 on:** November 02, 2009, 11:21:14 AM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on November 02, 2009, 10:37:57 AM

I'm glad to know the band all Hero/EC cards are now broken, then (eg: Siege)

In those cases, you're not really adding cards to your opponent's side of battle, you are forcing your opponent to add cards to his or her side of battle. Not the same thing.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #18 on:** November 02, 2009, 03:44:24 PM »

So then Siege isn't stopped by Wall of Protection? That's new.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #19 on:** November 02, 2009, 07:51:06 PM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on November 02, 2009, 03:44:24 PM

So then Siege isn't stopped by Wall of Protection? That's new.

How did you come to that conclusion with what he said?

Arch Angel · « **Reply #20 on:** November 02, 2009, 09:33:50 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on November 02, 2009, 11:21:14 AM

In those cases, you're not really adding cards to your opponent's side of battle, you are forcing your opponent to add cards to his or her side of battle. Not the same thing.

Wall of Protection
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place this site in your territory. No character in your territory may be brought into battle by an opponent. • Play As: Place this site in your territory. Characters in your territory are protected from being brought into battle by an opponent.

If Siege isn't having me bring them in, but forcing you to, then it stands to reason the WoP's protection would not apply.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #21 on:** November 02, 2009, 09:45:46 PM »

This has already been addressed with CtB abilities and WoP:

Instant Abilities > Choose Blocker or Rescuer > Default Conditions
• “Choose opponent” allows the holder to select a character but the opponent presents the chosen character into battle.

Instant Abilities > Choose Blocker or Rescuer > Special Conditions
• Wall of Protection protects its holder’s cards from being chosen to block.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #22 on:** November 03, 2009, 11:50:32 AM »

Siege isn't a CtB/R ability, though. It's a band.

Quote from: BrianGabe on November 02, 2009, 08:56:18 AM

you're not allowed to add cards to the opponent's side of the battle unless it's a CTB ability.

Gabe · « **Reply #23 on:** November 03, 2009, 01:18:37 PM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on November 03, 2009, 11:50:32 AM

Siege isn't a CtB/R ability, though. It's a band.

Are you trying to say that you think Neb works like a CTB card? If not, what's your point?

SirNobody · « **Reply #24 on:** November 03, 2009, 03:49:42 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: BrianGabe on November 03, 2009, 01:18:37 PM

Are you trying to say that you think Neb works like a CTB card?

I believe that Nebuchadnezzar's ability shouldn't work when converted. But if it does work when converted, I believe it works like a choose the blocker ability.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

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