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If I make a Rescue Attempt With Ahimaaz (4/2 Teal, Sa is irrelivant) My opponent blocks with King Jehoahaz (1/1 Black Brigade, Sa Irrelivant) and Play Joseph in Prison (Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Black • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and remove all cards in battle from the game.)

Can I:

1. Use Jehoiada's Strength (Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 5 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and band any number of O.T. human Heroes into battle. All Heroes are immune to brown brigade.) To band in Phineas, Son of Eleazar (12/8 Teal, SA irrelivant) Without Phineas being removed from the game. (Because the enhancement wouldn't be able to re-assign targets after the interupt)

2. Use The Silver Trumpets (Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When your Priest has initiative during a rescue attempt, you may band a human O.T. Hero from your territory into battle or interrupt the battle and return your Heroes in battle to hand. May be used twice.) To Add Phineas, Son of Eleazar to Battle without him being removed from the game.

(Because the enhancement wouldn't be able to re-assign targets after the interupt)

Where does this idea come from, out of curiosity? The targeting section in the back of the 10th Anniversary rulebook talks about targets you choose. JiP targets all, so that would not be the same rule.

Quote from: Smokey on October 07, 2009, 03:54:08 PM

(Because the enhancement wouldn't be able to re-assign targets after the interupt)

Where does this idea come from, out of curiosity? The targeting section in the back of the 10th Anniversary rulebook talks about targets you choose. JiP targets all, so that would not be the same rule.

Not sure, I just heard it through the grapevine and decided to post about it.

Hey,

Quote from: Smokey on October 07, 2009, 03:54:08 PM

(Because the enhancement wouldn't be able to re-assign targets after the interupt)

Where does this idea come from, out of curiosity? The targeting section in the back of the 10th Anniversary rulebook talks about targets you choose. JiP targets all, so that would not be the same rule.

Smokey's statement is mostly true.  Once you declare the targets you can't usually change the targets if the ability gets interrupted.

If I play Coliseum Lions to discard your hero in battle and you interrupt it, band a new hero into battle, and withdraw the original hero, when Coliseum Lions reactives it doesn't change it's target to the new hero in battle.  The hero it targeted is no longer valid so it simply does nothing.

The one notable exception to Smokey's statement is abilities that target "all" of something.  If an ability targets "all" of something and gets interrupted, when it reactivates it checks to see that it is still targeting "all" possible cards and if it isn't, it adds the new cards to it's set of targets.

As far as the specific questions asked in this thread, Cameron is Correct.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I was the one who told him that cards dont retarget. I distinctly remember a discussion before where it was said that cards like this have already decided their targets, all the characters that were in battle when the card activated. Adding a character in after an interrupt meant that he avoided being targeted.

I don't know where the thread went, but I remember that thought being posted.

Actually someone else told me it before you, but once you said it I wanted to be sure.

actually, doesn't Jehodia's Strength make all heroes immune to brown brigade?  So would Jehodia's Strength work against korah's Rebellion but not JiP?

It's targeting the battle. Whoever happens to be in the battle when it activates gets pew pew.

It's targeting the battle. Whoever happens to be in the battle when it activates gets pew pew.

actually, doesn't Jehodia's Strength make all heroes immune to brown brigade?  So would Jehodia's Strength work against korah's Rebellion but not JiP?

Oops, the topic was on black, not brown.  Yes, J's Strength would work.

The "no changing targets" rule is based on choice. If I play an enhancement that says "discard a hero," then I have to choose a hero (singular) to discard as soon as the card is played. Technically speaking, the SA cannot complete until I have chosen a target. After an interrupt, the chosen target cannot change.

In this case, JiP targets "all cards in battle." There are no choices here. Technically speaking, the SA can complete without any choices being made. After an interrupt, JiP still targets "all cards in battle."

Hey,

Joseph in Prision, which removes all cards in battle from the game, has no target.

This is not true.  If it were true protecting a hero from being removed from the game (like Z-Temple does) would not keep Joseph in Prison from removing that hero from the game.  Obviously that is not the case.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey,

Quote from: thestrongangel on October 13, 2009, 05:02:47 AM

Joseph in Prision, which removes all cards in battle from the game, has no target.

This is not true.  If it were true protecting a hero from being removed from the game (like Z-Temple does) would not keep Joseph in Prison from removing that hero from the game.  Obviously that is not the case.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Tim,

I am not saying that protection does not save a card in battle.  Obviously if a card is protected from removal, it is protected.  However, there are no targets when the card is played.  It removes all cards in battle.