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multiple unique characters question
« on: July 07, 2011, 10:59:46 AM »
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I'm pretty sure the answers to all of these questions is no, but here it goes anyway:

1.  I have a captured Moses in my land of bondage, can I capture another Moses or put my own Moses in territory?

2.  I have a redeemed Moses is my land of redemption, can I capture another Moses? Can I put my own Moses in my territory?

3.  I have a unique evil character set-aside, can I put another of that same evil character into my territory?
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2011, 11:02:08 AM »
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The  answer to all of those is yes
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2011, 11:06:47 AM »
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Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on July 07, 2011, 10:59:46 AM
I'm pretty sure the answers to all of these questions is no, but here it goes anyway:

1.  I have a captured Moses in my land of bondage, can I capture another Moses or put my own Moses in territory?

2.  I have a redeemed Moses is my land of redemption, can I capture another Moses? Can I put my own Moses in my territory?

3.  I have a unique evil character set-aside, can I put another of that same evil character into my territory?

1. You can capture another Moses, you just have to discard one of them. I don't think you can put one in your territory from hand (I know that has been disallowed before), but I'm not 100% sure.

2. Yes. Cards in your Land of Redemption don't affect any aspect of the game except the score (except for the Anti-Burial LS).

3. This depends on the answer to 1b, but I think this is also a "no".
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2011, 11:56:52 AM »
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Quote from: Professoralstad on July 07, 2011, 11:06:47 AM
1. You can capture another Moses, you just have to discard one of them. I don't think you can put one in your territory from hand (I know that has been disallowed before), but I'm not 100% sure.

The duplicate card rule specifies that you can not "control" duplicates. Are you controlling a captured hero? I would have thought that you were not.

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 07, 2011, 11:06:47 AM
3. This depends on the answer to 1b, but I think this is also a "no".

This is not dependent on 1b. The duplicate card rule applies to set-aside (and face-down, too).
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2011, 12:52:34 PM »
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1.a Yes
1.b No
2. Yes
3. No
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2011, 12:58:51 PM »
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What is the rationale for 1b being "no?" (All the rest I agree)
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2011, 01:43:27 PM »
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You are controlling the captured Moses, so you cannot bring a duplicate into your control via playing from hand or banding. Dungeon of Malciah is commonly used on T2 to lock out unique characters.
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2011, 02:01:22 PM »
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I guess we are going to have to create a new definition of "control," then, since the current Glossary does not indicate that you can control a Lost Soul. (not that I disagree with you)
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2011, 02:18:55 PM »
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2011, 02:54:48 PM »
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Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 07, 2011, 02:01:22 PM
I guess we are going to have to create a new definition of "control," then, since the current Glossary does not indicate that you can control a Lost Soul. (not that I disagree with you)
It also doesn't directly indicate that you can control anything but a character. I don't think anyone would argue that you control artifacts, sites, fortresses and enhancements, though.

Quote from: REG link=http://redemptionreg.com/REG/gloss_control.htm
Control

You control a character when you are using it. You can control a character that you do not own. This happens when you band to an opponent’s character and use it in battle. You also con­trol a character when your opponent forces you to use a character that you do not own.
Basically, the word "character" should just be replaced by the word "card". Then it would all make sense.
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 12:51:57 PM »
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so if i play army of the lord on captain and my opponent has a captain in their territory, does that mean i discard their captain?
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Re: multiple unique characters question
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 01:32:37 PM »
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No, game rules restrict add to battle abilities from adding an additional unique character under your control.  The cliche example is if I've got James/John, I can't band to your John with my James.
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