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Further question:

Is Red Jephthah a cost-benefit ability? If so, why? (See Haman's Plot/Gallows)

The wiki has an Errata listed for red Jephthah that definitely makes him a cost benefit: "Errata/Play As: Holder may discard the top card from his deck to discard any two Evil Characters in a territory or set-aside area. Limit once per player per game."

IMO, even at face value he seems like a backwards-worded cost-benefit. You can discard the characters if you discard the top card of your deck. You have to discard from deck in order to discard the ECs, so it certainly sounds like a cost-benefit.

IMO, even at face value he seems like a backwards-worded cost-benefit. You can discard the characters if you discard the top card of your deck. You have to discard from deck in order to discard the ECs, so it certainly sounds like a cost-benefit.

After reading him more carefully it almost sounds like an oddly written triggered ability. "If holder discards the top card from holders draw pile" doesn't sound like it should give you the ability to actually discard the top card of your deck, but just waits for another ability to do it and then triggers off of it.

Of course this is irrelevant if he still has his errata, but I find it rather interesting.

On the original question...I'm not sure that there is any rule stopping you from using both, honestly.  Can anyone point to a reason that wouldn't work?

I think if they are different cards they are different "Once per game" abilities.

Slight variation in question.
So if I have a 150 card deck with 6 Jepthahs, 3 of each, and each one is discarded at some point am I allowed to use the ability from each Jepthah or just one of each?

Once per game abilities can only be used once no matter how many copies of the card you have in your deck, otherwise they would reset in hand, deck or discard pile.

On the original question...I'm not sure that there is any rule stopping you from using both, honestly.  Can anyone point to a reason that wouldn't work?

I brought up the question of using both Jephthah's when we were play testing the starter decks. I was told at the time by either Tim or Bryon (I don't recall which) that it's still a once per game limit no matter how many different version of Jephthah you have.

I don't recall the logic behind their answer but with enough digging I can probably find it later if needed. My guess is that "once per game" abilities are tied to the unique character/card, not each different version. I do remember that they cited King Amaziah (Ki and RA2) and the fact that it wasn't a new ruling but was already in effect due to his reprint.

I did some searching and found this thread from 2013 with Elders confirming "once per game" abilities count across all versions, as well as all copies, of the same card.

So I guess that answers that.