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Revealing is always done by the owner/controller of the cards being revealed. The only time you get to touch my cards is if you are searching.

I thought owner of revealer chooses order?

Let's post SA...especially new ones...

Gideon's Call
Reveal the top 3 cards of an opponent’s deck (or top 9 if used by a Hero without a special ability); put the Lost Souls in that opponent’s territory and underdeck the rest.

Fishers of Men
Reveal the top 3 cards of opponent’s deck (or top 9 if used by a Disciple); put the revealed Lost Souls in opponent’s territory and underdeck the rest.


Now, the ruling (which Drrek posted) stated that it was the person who does the revealing who chooses the order.  Since there is no "each opponent must" or "opponent must" and it is very clearly referring to the controller of the ability doing the revealing, that player chooses the order (not the owner of the deck).

YMT is correct. That is the ruling for SWJ so it is the same for the two new enhancements.

Kirk

Actually I'm pretty sure SWJ shuffles the cards when they come back.  Then there is also this.

The end result is the same but the abilities are slightly different.

Revealer says ..."each opponent must reveal" so the owner of the deck does the revealing and placing of the cards, therefore they choose the order to place the card on the bottom of their deck.

Seeker says "Reveal the top three cards..." so Seekers controller is doing the revealing and placing, therefore Seekers controller chooses the order the cards are placed on the bottom.

It would follow from this seeker ruling that the cards are returned in the order that the user of Gideon's Call/Fishers of men chooses

I'm just letting you know the way it is here in Florida. If you try to touch my cards with a Reveal, you'll be getting a light sabre to the head... 

Hey,

I'm just letting you know the way it is here in Florida. If you try to touch my cards with a Reveal, you'll be getting a light sabre to the head... 

When my opponent plays Angel of the Lord I usually perform the action of physically moving the discarded Evil Character to the discard pile, even though, as far as the game is concerned, it is my opponent discarding my Evil Character.

If you're paranoid about your opponent touching your cards then you can do the physical action of revealing the cards, but, as far as the game is concerned, the player that plays Gideon's Call or Fishers of Men does the revealing and the player that plays Gideon's Call or Fishers of Men places them under the deck (and thus chooses the order).

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey,

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 17, 2013, 07:28:32 PM

I'm just letting you know the way it is here in Florida. If you try to touch my cards with a Reveal, you'll be getting a light sabre to the head... 

When my opponent plays Angel of the Lord I usually perform the action of physically moving the discarded Evil Character to the discard pile, even though, as far as the game is concerned, it is my opponent discarding my Evil Character.

If you're paranoid about your opponent touching your cards then you can do the physical action of revealing the cards, but, as far as the game is concerned, the player that plays Gideon's Call or Fishers of Men does the revealing and the player that plays Gideon's Call or Fishers of Men places them under the deck (and thus chooses the order).

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

You own the cards. Why does it so happen you can't choose where they go. It's been the rule in the past and changing it is rediculous.

i hate these cards on RTS.

Why dont we just make cards revealed go back in the same order? and it is very possible and far to do it.

I agree with and understand this ruling, but wouldn't this overturn the Revealer Lost Soul ruling (that the person revealing chooses the order)?

No, in fact you just gave the basis for this ruling in your statement.  The person who revealed in this case was the person who played Gideon's Call/Fishers of Men.  The revealer says each opponent reveals the top two of their deck, they reveal so they place.  With these cards, the player of the enhancement revealed, so they place.