Author Topic: Proposed "Ignore" rule change - comments welcome (Read 15329 times)

slugfencer · « **Reply #200 on:** September 21, 2011, 04:53:30 PM »

Hm, so originally this new rule sounded like a good idea, but now that there are more far reaching effects that make already powerful commonly used ignore cards more powerful it doesnt seem like such a good idea any more... $:-\$

lightningninja · « **Reply #201 on:** September 21, 2011, 11:39:44 PM »

But I want to band in Miriam against the Egyptian defenses...

STAMP · « **Reply #202 on:** September 22, 2011, 05:12:55 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on September 19, 2011, 07:54:47 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on September 19, 2011, 05:03:44 PM

Wait... are we voting on what is best for the game, especailly for new players? Or are we voting on what is best for just the top players in the country? This will obviously affect my vote.

Let's not forget that both Joseph and RTC come from 15 dollar tins that new/younger players are much less likely to have than top players. So while ignore may become slightly easier to understand, it becomes much more frustrating for players who don't have the best cards. Because of the price.of tins, my guess is that new players are more likely to have cards like DoU, Suicidal Swine Stampede, and Failed Objective, which are available in Disciple packs as well as from playgroup leaders for trade/giveaways. So with this rule change, we increase the strength of cards that top players have and decrease ways new players have to stop them.

I'm with YMT then. No need to give the ~~Yankees~~ top players more of an advantage.

lightningninja · « **Reply #203 on:** September 22, 2011, 06:52:26 PM »

I would also like to change my stance.

theselfevident · « **Reply #204 on:** September 22, 2011, 08:05:39 PM »

Although I support strengthening older cards (to make them not worthless... oh Lord, the $$$ wasted), I must recant my support as well.

crustpope · « **Reply #205 on:** September 22, 2011, 08:17:07 PM »

Doesnt "Cannot be ignored" work the same way as "cannot be negated"? so once golgotha works who cares if it is negated because it "Cannot be ignored"

or am I just wrong here? otherwise how could you say "cannot be ignored" because it would be "Cannot be ignored...unless I negate your cannot be ignored ability...?"

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #206 on:** September 22, 2011, 09:27:09 PM »

No. CBIg is dynamic.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #207 on:** September 22, 2011, 09:28:25 PM »

CBIgnored is it's own monster.

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #208 on:** September 22, 2011, 10:17:15 PM »

When I was new, I read repel and ignore as kicking the character out of battle. When I found that this wasn't the case, and that ignoring an opponent in-battle basically gave them infinite initiative, I quickly abandoned all of my ignore enhancements. (Until relatively recently that is, due to a certain gray enhancement that just made my deck much more fun

)

Isildur · « **Reply #209 on:** September 22, 2011, 11:21:55 PM »

Thank you for using False Prophesy you just went up +10 in my book!

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #210 on:** September 23, 2011, 12:03:54 AM »

I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes that card so much

So much humor and versatility with it... my deck wouldn't be the same without it

SomeKittens · « **Reply #211 on:** September 23, 2011, 10:06:17 AM »

Quote from: Isildur on September 22, 2011, 11:21:55 PM

Thank you for using False Prophesy you just went up +10 in my book!

More puns in one card than anywhere else.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #212 on:** September 23, 2011, 12:19:41 PM »

so wait, false prophesy works as an ignore? i didn't know that...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #213 on:** September 23, 2011, 10:08:24 PM »

"Repel" is outdated wording for "ignore"

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #214 on:** September 24, 2011, 01:16:00 AM »

~Cue the puns~

"Repels any non-prophet"

And...

...

Go!

lp670sv · « **Reply #215 on:** September 24, 2011, 02:51:28 AM »

Someone remind me why new players are less likely to have the tins? Same price as the starter tins and come with more awesome cards? I always recommend new players get a tin and Disciples/TxP packs, it's the fastest way to get them competitive. Get the TGT tin and you're well on your way to one of the top offenses.

Irish_Luck · « **Reply #216 on:** September 24, 2011, 09:18:46 AM »

Quote from: lp670sv on September 24, 2011, 02:51:28 AM

Someone remind me why new players are less likely to have the tins? Same price as the starter tins and come with more awesome cards? I always recommend new players get a tin and Disciples/TxP packs, it's the fastest way to get them competitive. Get the TGT tin and you're well on your way to one of the former top offenses.

Fixed

lp670sv · « **Reply #217 on:** September 24, 2011, 09:52:14 AM »

TGT will always be viable. Disciples will always be viable. Gardenciples will always be viable.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #218 on:** September 24, 2011, 07:21:26 PM »

Quote from: lp670sv on September 24, 2011, 09:52:14 AM

TGT will always be viable.

Meh, makes sense, unless they uber-kill it.

Quote from: lp670sv on September 24, 2011, 09:52:14 AM

Disciples will always be viable.

Somewhat, depends on type.

Quote from: lp670sv on September 24, 2011, 09:52:14 AM

Gardenciples will always be viable.

Funniest definition of "viable" I've ever seen...

COUNTER_SNIPER · « **Reply #219 on:** September 25, 2011, 06:45:09 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on September 24, 2011, 07:21:26 PM

Quote from: lp670sv on September 24, 2011, 09:52:14 AM
TGT will always be viable.
Meh, makes sense, unless they uber-kill it.
Quote from: lp670sv on September 24, 2011, 09:52:14 AM
Disciples will always be viable.
Somewhat, depends on type.
Quote from: lp670sv on September 24, 2011, 09:52:14 AM
Gardenciples will always be viable.
Funniest definition of "viable" I've ever seen...

It's ok, just ignore him

Korunks · « **Reply #220 on:** October 31, 2011, 02:56:37 PM »

Psuedo Necro Time(What an appropriate day too):

I never weighed in on this, but after playing a few games with this rule in mind I have come to the conclusion that this is a bad idea. This gives in battle ignore to large a boost(CBN ignore FTL). I have taught several people how to play redemption and never have I had an issue with people understanding how ignore works. I have only had to correct older players on ignore, never new players(Which is the desired outcome of this rule). I don't think the current rule for ignore is that difficult to understand. If I can clearly explain it to my 8.5 year old brother when I taught him, and he got it I don't see how complicated it can really be.

Just my

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #221 on:** October 31, 2011, 05:13:21 PM »

Just in case anyone finds this any more interesting now than before...

Quote from: BubbleBoy on September 13, 2011, 02:49:43 PM

I will repeat what I've been saying for a while, which is that “Have no effect” should be a unique ability attributed with current ignore parts 1 and 2, “Cannot be blocked” a unique ability with part 3, and “Ignore” a unique ability with part 4 (minus the “already”). That would make the abilities actually do what it sounds like they already should, for maximum simplicity IMO. It would also totally destroy the power of pre-block ignore.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #222 on:** October 31, 2011, 06:44:07 PM »

What are the parts you're referencing?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #223 on:** November 01, 2011, 07:56:39 AM »

Quote from: REG > Ongoing Abilities > Ignore > How to Play

How to Play

An ignore ability has four parts:

1. it grants the ignoring card immunity to all cards being ignored

2. it grants the ignored cards immunity to the ignoring card

3. characters not in battle and ignored cannot enter battle (i.e., you cannot choose to bring them into battle and they cannot be targeted by an ability that would bring them into battle)

4. characters already in battle and ignored are treated as though they were not in battle for purposes of determining battle outcome

An ignore ability is ongoing. Part (1) above targets the cards that gain the ignore status. Parts (2) and (4) above target the cards that are ignored. Part (3) above has no target.

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Author Topic: Proposed "Ignore" rule change - comments welcome (Read 15329 times)

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