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ok... so he's a prophet... is he a judge? I can't seem to find the ruling on that...

also, is he a musician?

The REG says he's an "OT Male Human, Prophet, Fought Earthly Battle." Not on the list of judges or musicians. Then again, not even David is on the list of musicians.

the REG has been dropping behind...

I asked my professor whether Moses was a judge or not and his opinion was that he wasn't.


DANIEL B. SPROSS, Professor of Biblical Theology and Literature, 1988—BA, Point Loma Nazarene University, 1971; MA, Mennonite Brethren Biblical Seminary, 1979; MDiv, Nazarene Theological Seminary, 1981; PhD, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, 1988.

If this dude says he wasn't a judge, it's safe to say that he wasn't a judge.

Moses and Joshua were both considered for being Judges at the same time.  The decision is that Joshua was a judge and Moses was not.  Notice that Joshua was added to the REG Judges List.

There was never any final decision about how Redemption will define a musician.  Depending on which definition is used Moses may or may not be a musician.

The looser definition, which would include Moses, would coount anyone who is noted as singing a song or writing a Psalm.  This would expand the list of musicians quite a bit.

The more strict definition, which would not include Moses, would only include people whose profession involved music.  This definition fits better with the current white brigade musicians and would also include David.

You know what else is ironic?

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Spross said that Joshua was not a judge but a military leader under the grounds that the judges were sent to Israel in periods in which they fell away.

Well, that settles it. Bryon wants him to be a judge, so he's a judge. 

Moses is a judge in the NW.

Quote from: crustpope on March 30, 2009, 12:28:28 PM

sometimes the ruled for redemption and the idenifiers from scripture may not gel together perfectly.

What's an example of an existing identifier of a Biblical character/card that's not Scriptural?

Well this one for one.  Judges seat describes moses as a judge but redemption does not.  I think it is hard to find a scriptural refrerence for any extrabiblical character (St. Patty for one).

I meant no offense I was just saying tha redemtion is a game and has its own mechanics and the bible is not a game and has a far more important purpose.  With that in mind we should understand that sometimes we may not agree on how a card is ruled based on our interpretation of scripture.

Quote from: TimMierz on March 30, 2009, 01:17:37 PM

What's an example of an existing identifier of a Biblical character/card that's not Scriptural?

Well this one for one.  Judges seat describes moses as a judge but redemption does not.  I think it is hard to find a scriptural refrerence for any extrabiblical character (St. Patty for one).

Right, that's why I specified "Biblical character." Finding any source for Kira or Saint Patrick would be quite a task indeed.

I meant no offense I was just saying tha redemtion is a game and has its own mechanics and the bible is not a game and has a far more important purpose.  With that in mind we should understand that sometimes we may not agree on how a card is ruled based on our interpretation of scripture.

Isn't this a bad thing?  Shouldn't we be trying to make Redemption as close to scripture as possible?  This makes the game closer to the truth as well as easier to understand for everyone....

I agree with Mr. Fgamer entirely on this point.

So you're saying that because it's a game, it's ok if it doesn't match the scriptures as close as possible?

I would think that since the game itself is BASED on scripture, we should, if possible, make it EXACTLY like scripture.  I can certainly understand that different people have different ways of viewing things, especially when it comes to scripture, which could cause some disagreement.  But if the scriptures say that Moses sat on the judges seat and judged the people, then he's a judge!  There's no way to deny that no matter how you look at it.  If we say that he wasn't just because Redemption is a game and doesn't have to match the scriptures, then we're no longer basing Redemption on scriptures....

I don't know what you think, but if we stop basing Redemption as much as possible on the scriptures but continue to say it is, aren't we deceiving others that are coming into this game?  Of course this is not the intention of anyone and I'm not accusing anyone of doing so...but if we are going to claim that this game is based on scriptures, then we should base it on scripture as much as we can.   Seems pretty simple to me. 

That's why I say "as much as possible."  I understand that there are things that are going to have to be different in order to make it playable.  But the scripture ON Judge's Seat talks about Moses sitting there.  I doubt that letting Moses sit there, weather by saying he's a judge or saying he's an exception, would make the game completely unplayable.

But the scripture ON Judge's Seat talks about Moses sitting there.

Yes, but scholarship on Judaism and the age of Judges suggests that Moses had a role as elder among his people, which eventually evolved into the role played by the judges later in their history.  They had functions that overlapped but it doesn't necessarily mean that he is in the same category as they.  Judges were also roughly equivalent to what passed for kings in other cultures but that does not mean Redemption should treat judges as royalty characters.

In other words, Moses judged, but was not necessarily a Judge.