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« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2010, 11:44:02 AM »
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Well, I guess that depends on who turns out to be correct...



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« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2010, 01:22:59 PM »
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Even if we limit ourselves to burnt offerings, Cain, Abel, Noah, Abraham, and King Solomon are priests under this definition.
Cain, Abel, Noah, and Abraham all gave their offerings merely for themselves or their own families.  That is quite a different thing than giving an offering for all the people of Israel as the Moses and the other priests did.  I would also rule out King Solomon because he was from the tribe of Judah.  But Moses was a Levite.  He is called a priest in the OT, and he did what OT priests were supposed to do (give an offering to God for the people of Israel).

As for NT Christians all being priests, I think the point of that is that we can come to God personally (with Christ as mediator) without needing to have another person (like OT priests) as mediator.  It does NOT mean that we become necessary mediators (like OT priests) for other people.

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« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2010, 01:26:46 PM »
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FTR, I agree with you Prof, but I'm not sure what your explanation means for PoC...

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Re: Moses is a priest? Try 2! Now with scriptual backing! (Judge?)
« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2010, 01:41:16 PM »
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Cain, Abel, Noah, and Abraham all gave their offerings merely for themselves or their own families.

I don't think Cain, Abel, and Noah had too many other people to give offerings for even if they wanted to... ;)
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« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2010, 01:57:34 PM »
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FTR, I agree with you Prof, but I'm not sure what your explanation means for PoC...
I think PoC gets in based on being Teal if for no other reason.

I don't think Cain, Abel, and Noah had too many other people to give offerings for even if they wanted to... ;)
I thought of that as I was posting, and I was hoping no one would catch it :)  But the point remains that they weren't offering for the people of Israel, since Israel (Jacob) wasn't even born yet.

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Re: Moses is a priest? Try 2! Now with scriptual backing! (Judge?)
« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2010, 01:59:12 PM »
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cain tried to give a good sacrifice but he wasn't abel
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« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2010, 02:04:07 PM »
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cain tried to give a good sacrifice but he wasn't abel
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« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2010, 02:05:15 PM »
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naw, but if i was i would be a fireman  ;)
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Re: Moses is a priest? Try 2! Now with scriptual backing! (Judge?)
« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2010, 02:09:29 PM »
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Cain, Abel, Noah, and Abraham all gave their offerings merely for themselves or their own families.
What are you talking about?  Noah's offering was made for every single person in the entire world.  ;)
 

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« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2010, 02:11:18 PM »
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no, uhhh, Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for every single person in the entire world, emjaybee
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« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2010, 02:24:46 PM »
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Raven, Noah made a sacrifice for His family, the only people still on the planet at that point. ;)
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« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2010, 02:32:25 PM »
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ik i was just saying  :)
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« Reply #87 on: January 15, 2010, 03:57:02 PM »
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Even if we limit ourselves to burnt offerings, Cain, Abel, Noah, Abraham, and King Solomon are priests under this definition.
Cain, Abel, Noah, and Abraham all gave their offerings merely for themselves or their own families.  That is quite a different thing than giving an offering for all the people of Israel as the Moses and the other priests did.  I would also rule out King Solomon because he was from the tribe of Judah.  But Moses was a Levite.  He is called a priest in the OT, and he did what OT priests were supposed to do (give an offering to God for the people of Israel).

As for NT Christians all being priests, I think the point of that is that we can come to God personally (with Christ as mediator) without needing to have another person (like OT priests) as mediator.  It does NOT mean that we become necessary mediators (like OT priests) for other people.
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« Reply #88 on: January 15, 2010, 04:24:35 PM »
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I think a better definition for "Priest" would be:

"Those who are called Priests in the Bible before the tearing of the veil, heroes with 'Priest(s)' in the title, and St. Patrick."

Gets away from the sticky situation that could possibly include Job, Saul, etc. while including all the cards that are obviously Priests.
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Re: Moses is a priest? Try 2! Now with scriptual backing! (Judge?)
« Reply #89 on: January 15, 2010, 05:19:15 PM »
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I think a better definition for "Priest" would be:

"Those who are called Priests in the Bible before the tearing of the veil, heroes with 'Priest(s)' in the title, and St. Patrick."

Gets away from the sticky situation that could possibly include Job, Saul, etc. while including all the cards that are obviously Priests.

What if more Church saints are made?
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« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2010, 05:23:09 PM »
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I don't think they will be, but if they are change "and St. Patrick" to "and those ordained by the post-apostolic Church as Priests."
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« Reply #91 on: January 15, 2010, 06:10:02 PM »
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Hey,

We could have a Moses reprint with two scripture references in the box, one OT and one NT...giving us our first card with multiple scripture references. ;)

We already have a card with multiple scripture references.  Philosophy has a good reference and an evil reference.

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I do as well.  However, after several years of experience on this forum, I have seen countless rulings.  And I have seen things go differently than Tim though quite a few times.  I think there was only 1 time EVER that something went differently than you thought.

That has a little to do with the fact that I speak my opinion on things more often than Bryon does.  (Although, as you mentioned, when Bryon speaks in an official manner he is virtually never wrong.)  Bryon usually does a very good job of saying "I'm not sure about this" or "This is just my opinion" when he's not speaking officially.  I got the impression from his comments in this thread that he wasn't speaking officially despite the uncharacteristic absence of a disclaimer.

Gets away from the sticky situation that could possibly include Job, Saul, etc. while including all the cards that are obviously Priests.

Is Moses "obviously" a priest?  When the priests set was printed the playtesters said they were reprinting all of the priests that had previously been printed as teal heroes.  Moses didn't get reprinted.  If he was obviously a priest he should have been.

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Re: Moses is a priest? Try 2! Now with scriptual backing! (Judge?)
« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2010, 06:18:21 PM »
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Rob was kind enough to add me as a playtester a couple weeks ago.  (Apparently the "moderator" title when applied to local moderators supersedes the "playtester" title below my name on the left of the screen.)

it actually says 'playtester' when you click on your profile, i noticed this about a week ago.

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Is Moses "obviously" a priest?  When the priests set was printed the playtesters said they were reprinting all of the priests that had previously been printed as teal heroes.  Moses didn't get reprinted.  If he was obviously a priest he should have been.

probably not obvious, as this is the first time i've ever heard mentioned the possibility, but that doesnt mean he could have been overlooked for priests, which seems to be the case.
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« Reply #93 on: January 15, 2010, 06:45:05 PM »
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Bible says Moses was a Priest, Moses was a Levite, Moses went into "priests-only" areas, Moses offered sacrifices for the Children of Israel, sounds pretty obvious now that we have the previously-overlooked information.
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« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2010, 07:10:37 PM »
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Considering what happened to the Egyptians:

Moses 8/8 Gold Hero

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« Reply #95 on: January 15, 2010, 07:14:05 PM »
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Moses
8/8 Teal/Gold/White/Purple/Green Hero
-Priest, Judge, Musician, Egyptian Royalty, Prophet-
"Hax to cross water, and /t Egypt .kill. Identifiers are l33t."
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« Reply #96 on: January 15, 2010, 11:19:57 PM »
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Moses
8/8 Teal/Gold/White/Purple/Green Hero
-Priest, Judge, Musician, Egyptian Royalty, Prophet-
"Hax to cross water, and /t Egypt .kill. Identifiers are l33t."
you forgot to add a cannot be negated.

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« Reply #97 on: January 16, 2010, 08:33:03 AM »
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Rob was kind enough to add me as a playtester a couple weeks ago.
Wow, congratulations.  To be a playtester is an honor, a privilege, and a great responsibility.  You are very deserving of this appointment, and I know you'll do a great job.  I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the forum until now.

Bible says Moses was a Priest, Moses was a Levite, Moses went into "priests-only" areas, Moses offered sacrifices for the Children of Israel, sounds pretty obvious now that we have the previously-overlooked information.
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« Reply #98 on: January 16, 2010, 06:27:08 PM »
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Bible says Moses was a Priest, Moses was a Levite, Moses went into "priests-only" areas, Moses offered sacrifices for the Children of Israel, sounds pretty obvious now that we have the previously-overlooked information.
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+1  The Bible is quite clear; I can't see how this will go the other way.

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« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2010, 04:28:51 PM »
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so do we have an official ruling?

 


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