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Hey,

so is moses officially a priest then?

I'd say no.  The requirements for being considered a priest for characters that were Israelites are different than the requirements for characters that were not Israelites.  Characters that were not Israelites are considered priests if they are referred to as a priest in the Bible (or I guess in history considering Saint Patrick).  Israelites on the other hand had to be involved in the offering of sacrifices.

So while Psalm 99:6 would be adequate to categorize a non-Israelite as a priest, it does not qualify Moses.  (We have a similar double standard for Prophets.  Good prophets had to convey a message from God, but Evil prophets didn't, they only have to be referred to as a prophet.)

At least that's my perspective on the issue.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

so bryon: yes, maly: no...whats the verdict?

awesome, another ruling lost in limbo...maybe it can be roommates with the new REG.

The evidence is compelling.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on January 15, 2010, 07:33:42 AM

Uhm. I have the clincher.

I'm not sure how clincheriffic that is...

Quote from: 1 Samuel 13:7-10

Saul remained at Gilgal, and all the troops with him were quaking with fear. He waited seven days, the time set by Samuel; but Samuel did not come to Gilgal, and Saul's men began to scatter. So he said, "Bring me the burnt offering and the fellowship offerings." And Saul offered up the burnt offering. Just as he finished making the offering, Samuel arrived, and Saul went out to greet him.

Difference between the two. Moses was in the right (No rebuke came to him for that.) Saul was not(Was very rebuked).

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 13, 2010, 02:46:19 PM

well, technically there could be an O.T. and a N.T. Moses, but there couldn't be both in one card, so...

We could have a Moses reprint with two scripture references in the box, one OT and one NT...giving us our first card with multiple scripture references.

Moses/Moses!

Moses starts out as a Green/Gold OT Prophet Judge. 8/8
"When this character is defeated in battle set this card aside for three turns. Upon return he turns  into Moses! Negate all special abilities on characters and enhancement cards except this one"

Moses! Purple/White NT hero 3/4
"May band to Elijah. When this card is defeated remove it from the game. Holder may discard one good card from hand to convert a hero to a different brigade(except silver)"

if Moses is a priest, could you also use Perpetual Priesthood to search for him in deck and band him into battle?

Perpetual Priesthood:You may exchange this card with a Priest in draw pile. Cannot be interrupted.

Quote from: BrianGabe on January 15, 2010, 08:39:37 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on January 13, 2010, 02:46:19 PM

well, technically there could be an O.T. and a N.T. Moses, but there couldn't be both in one card, so...

We could have a Moses reprint with two scripture references in the box, one OT and one NT...giving us our first card with multiple scripture references.

Moses/Moses!

Moses starts out as a Green/Gold OT Prophet Judge. 8/8
"When this character is defeated in battle set this card aside for three turns. Upon return he turns  into Moses! Negate all special abilities on characters and enhancement cards except this one"

Moses! Purple/White NT hero 3/4
"May band to Elijah. When this card is defeated remove it from the game. Holder may discard one good card from hand to convert a hero to a different brigade(except silver)"

add a Teal to that OT one. and White, since he's a musician.

Agreed.

First, I am no more official than Tim, who is a playtester the same as I am.

Actually I thought that Tim was NOT a playtester.

When I have questions about the game, Tim is one of the first places I go for advice.  I respect his opinion very highly.

I do as well.  However, after several years of experience on this forum, I have seen countless rulings.  And I have seen things go differently than Tim though quite a few times.  I think there was only 1 time EVER that something went differently than you thought.

@EMJ Hm... good point but even so, what does it take to be a "priest" then?

Scripture talks about two priestly lines--the Levitical line--which would be all the folk doing the daily practice of sacrifices outlined in the last four books of the Pentateuch--and the line of Melchizedek. I would go with this definition which is in pretty close accord with the definition of priests used currently in the game (with the exception of St. Patrick who should be out, IMO).

The problem I have is Moses falls into neither of these lines, and the definitions you are offering seem to me to be overly broad. In addition to King Solomon, Cain, Abel, Noah, and Abraham also offered burnt offerings. I don't think anyone would classify any of those characters as priests. So occasional sacrifice doesn't strike me as being sufficient.

I mean the bible saying you are isn't good enough seemingly(according to Maly).

The Bible also says all NT believers are priests.

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

From an interpretive standpoint this passage would seem to be at least as clear-cut as the verse of poetry you offered from Psalms. Would you really argue that every NT hero should be a priest?

The Bible says Moses is a priest.

All NT believers are priests under this definition.

The Bible says that Moses made an offering to the Lord (and didn't rebuke him for it).

Even if we limit ourselves to burnt offerings, Cain, Abel, Noah, Abraham, and King Solomon are priests under this definition.

"But even the playtester Bryon, when he was disputing with Tim about the identity of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, 'First, I am no more official than Tim, who is a playtester the same as I am.  When I started playing Redemption in June of '98, I saw a picture online of Tim holding up prizes he'd already won at tournaments.  When I have questions about the game, Tim is one of the first places I go for advice.  I respect his opinion very highly.'"

Jude 9 (RPV--Redemption Playtesters Version)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.