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Hey Guys,

I have a question about Moses.

If Moses is in my territory, (he negates enhancements in territories), how would he affect a card like TREASURES OF WAR?

In other words, could I still play Treasures of War with Moses in my territory? Note: Treasures of War is a "Place in Territory/then Discard (to get the effect)" type of card. If the effect (of Treasures) happens when Treasures is discarded, would that get around Moses' negating?

Also, I have the same question for KING'S POMP...

Kings's Pomp says: "Place on your evil king." But, would that effect also be negated by Moses? Also, would the card stay on the evil king even though it is being negated?

(Moses does not negate and discard; he only negates).

Thank you!

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Make sure you have a Jericho in your deck that way all your evil territory enhancement can still be played when Moses is in play.

I hope I didn't just give you something to beat me with at the tournament next week LOL

To add on that, you can technically play them in territory, they'll just be negated. But if you can find a card to make it CBP/CBN or use its own effect, you can play it and Moses can't negate it.

Actually you can't play them in territory. The play portion is part of the special ability that's negated by Moses. This very issue (whether they can still be played in territory but the ability itself negated) was brought up on a thread a few months ago.

You can play them in territory, they would just be prevented if Moses was in play.

However, if they were CBP enhancements (Hypocrisy, Invoking Terror) then they would work. Also, if you had Jericho then that would make them CBP and they would work then as well.

To be clear--Moses does not stop the playing of TC enhancements. He only prevents them from activating.

Covenant with Death (a restrict ability) would stop the playing of TC enhancements.

 
That's always been the case, because if it wasn't then FBTN cards would make you unable to play Enhancements in battle otherwise.
Now I wouldn't suggest playing a non-CBP/CBN while Moses can negate them. But you can play them to your heart's content. They just won't do anything.

Does Moses negate set aside cards? Played in territory, I would guess so but I'm just checking.

Correct, Moses would prevent a set aside enhancement from activating.

Okay, there's two different things being referenced here.

Moses does prevent "TC place" enhancements from being placed, but he does not stop them from being played.

I can still play Image of Jealousy (TXP), but if Moses prevents it from activating, it just fizzles and goes to the discard pile.

Also, if "Place" enhancements are played in battle, even if they get placed in territory, Moses does not prevent them, since they activated in battle.

Are you sure about this? Whether Moses was in territory or in battle why wouldn't he still prevent played/placed cards in territory even if they were played in battle? His ability says he negates enhancements in territory, and this ability is on-going even when he's in battle. What am I missing here?

Are you sure about this? Whether Moses was in territory or in battle why wouldn't he still prevent played/placed cards in territory even if they were played in battle? His ability says he negates enhancements in territory, and this ability is on-going even when he's in battle. What am I missing here?

This is something that causes confusion among many players, even more experienced ones.

Moses' "Negate all" ability is actually two abilities.  One is an instant ability, the other is an ongoing ability.  All Negate abilities that are ongoing (Captain of the Host, King of Tyrus, etc.) are like this.

His instant ability is "Negate".  Negates are always instant. 

His ongoing ability is "Prevent".  Prevents are always ongoing for some duration. 

So when an enhancement with a Place ability (like Treasures of War or King's Pomp) is played in battle, it activates in battle.  Even if it gets placed in territory, it isn't being activated in territory, which is what Moses' ongoing Prevent can stop. 

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As another example, Benaiah (Kings) is blocked by a Pale Green EC.  The blocker plays Two Thousand Horses, interrupts Benaiah's ongoing Prevent, and plays Confusion.  After Confusion resolves, Benaiah's ability kicks back in.  However, even though it says "Negate", his ongoing ability is only a Prevent, and therefore Benaiah doesn't negate Confusion.

If you play a place enhancement in battle (ie gams speech) to territory you can still use the enh that phase with Moses in terroritory as it was not prevented when played and placed during that phase. For example, playing Joy from battle on your own hero in territory while you also have Moses in territory. Played in territory, it's prevented by Moses. Played in battle, it is not.

After that phase, until Moses retriggers to once again negate and or prevent, the enhancement may still be used and the place ability itself is cbi at that point

Kings doesn't negate weapons

If you play a place enhancement in battle (ie gams speech) to territory you can still use the enh that phase with Moses in terroritory as it was not prevented when played and placed during that phase. For example, playing Joy from battle on your own hero in territory while you also have Moses in territory. Played in territory, it's prevented by Moses. Played in battle, it is not.

After that phase, until Moses retriggers to once again negate and or prevent, the enhancement may still be used and the place ability itself is cbi at that point

I still don't understand why Moses, if he was in territory, would still not prevent the placement of Joy or any other enh that was played in battle when that enh is being placed in territory. If Moses is negating souls (preventing their abilities) while he's sitting in territory even while another hero is doing a rescue attempt, why doesn't Moses also prevent enh from being placed in territory even if they were played during battle?  His ability is "Negate enhancements, Lost Souls, and characters in territories except Cloud cards."