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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Gabe on March 21, 2015, 04:22:49 PM
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Please use this as the official definition and list of missionaries going forward.
Missionary
A missionary is someone who traveled from their home church to another city or region to proclaim the gospel of Christ for the purpose of converting the hearers and establishing a church from the new converts. Missionaries often lived in the city or region for an extended period of time.
Your missionaries in play (or set-aside) have the added benefit of being part of the church you control with the most church members; there is no benefit in the case of a tie for the most. A missionary that becomes part of another church also retains its original church identifier(s).
The following Heroes are considered missionaries:
- Apollos
- Aquila
- Barnabas
- John
- Luke
- Mark
- Paul (when converted from Saul)
- Peter
- Philip the Evangelist
- Priscilla
- Silas
- Timothy
- Titus
Please note that Barsabbas has been omitted from this list intentionally. He was never intended to have the identifier "missionary" but the error wasn't caught before the card was sent to print. He has been added to the official errata list (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-official-rules/errata-reworded-special-abilities/msg32/#msg32) to correct our error.
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So if I have Peter in play with 1 thessolonian and then put 2 Corinthian heroes in play peter would be a Jerusalem, thessolonian, Corinthian hero?
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So if I have Peter in play with 1 thessolonian and then put 2 Corinthian heroes in play peter would be a Jerusalem, thessolonian, Corinthian hero?
No, he would be a Jerusalem, Corinth hero.
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So if I have Peter in play with 1 thessolonian and then put 2 Corinthian heroes in play peter would be a Jerusalem, thessolonian, Corinthian hero?
No, he would be a Jerusalem, Corinth hero.
This is correct. It is a benefit for whatever church you have the MOST of, and if you do not have a MOST (such as a tie), then there is no benefit, and the count is a dynamic thing (it is constantly updated).
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So if I have Peter in play with 1 thessolonian and then put 2 Corinthian heroes in play peter would be a Jerusalem, thessolonian, Corinthian hero?
No, he would be a Jerusalem, Corinth hero.
Not according to the above definition.
Unless "original" only pertains to what is printed on the card. However, if original only applies to printed identifiers that creates numerous other problems.
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So if I have Peter in play with 1 thessolonian and then put 2 Corinthian heroes in play peter would be a Jerusalem, thessolonian, Corinthian hero?
No, he would be a Jerusalem, Corinth hero.
Not according to the above definition.
Unless "original" only pertains to what is printed on the card. However, if original only applies to printed identifiers that creates numerous other problems.
How does that create numerous other problems? Also how would a gained identifier be considered one of the cards "original" ones?
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So if I have Peter in play with 1 thessolonian and then put 2 Corinthian heroes in play peter would be a Jerusalem, thessolonian, Corinthian hero?
No, he would be a Jerusalem, Corinth hero.
Not according to the above definition.
Unless "original" only pertains to what is printed on the card. However, if original only applies to printed identifiers that creates numerous other problems.
Please elaborate on what problems you believe this causes
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Just quickly answering off the top of my head, purple and red Peter do not have the missionary identifier printed on them. This means "original" being defined as printed identifiers presents challenges to working out the identifiers on cards that do not have them printed on.
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Just quickly answering off the top of my head, purple and red Peter do not have the missionary identifier printed on them. This means "original" being defined as printed identifiers presents challenges to working out the definition of "original".
Plenty of cards have gained "printed" identifiers that aren't printed on the card, like many, many prophets. This is not an issue.
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This literally means I need to keep an up-to date identifiers list with me at all tournaments in order to ensure they are all ruled correctly.
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This has been the case for years
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This literally means I need to keep an up-to date identifiers list with me at all tournaments in order to ensure they are all ruled correctly.
So you needed to keep an up-to date identifier list with you to know who all Simeon could band to?
Don't get me wrong, its less than ideal to have cards have identifiers that aren't printed on them, but this is not a new situation, and the number of cards it effects is small. And when you are building your deck you should have access to the identifiers for all cards, and if someone challenges you on it, just call over a judge. They SHOULD have a list of the up-to date identifiers with them.
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This literally means I need to keep an up-to date identifiers list with me at all tournaments in order to ensure they are all ruled correctly.
I understand this concern, really do. But as pointed out, we have plenty of cards with non-printed identifiers (or even errata) that have to be tracked. Some cards have been changed completely from their original wording through erratas, and some cards were printed when we didn't even put identifiers on the cards, but we still use 'if used by' cards with them without too much of an issue.
Since we are able to use any set in this game at any time, this sort of thing will always be in play, but I don't feel that it has had, or will have, as large of an impact as is being implied.
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This literally means I need to keep an up-to date identifiers list with me at all tournaments in order to ensure they are all ruled correctly.
You've always had to do that. There are many, many identifiers that aren't explicitly printed on cards. Many of them just happen to be fairly obvious if you have a basic understanding of the game/Bible. We all know David is male and human, but I don't think any of them have either of those printed on the card. Missionary just adds a benefit to the churches, essentially it has a dynamic identifier that says "Church with the most members you have in play". Now we can definitely discuss whether or not it's a good thing for missionary to intrinsicly have a dynamic identifier, but the way Gabe described it works fine.