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I don't see any Elders ruling in the Asaph thread. I think this is a faulty conclusion of the LS thread. Although good cards can negate enhancements used by Asaph, the CBN against evil cards still remains. You can play Blessings on Asaph, and evil enhancements still cannot negate Asaph's music enhancements.

You can not indirectly negate a CBN/CBI/CBP-granting ability.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on September 06, 2011, 04:04:12 PM

You can not indirectly negate a CBN/CBI/CBP-granting ability.

Who's saying anything about indirectly? Magnificat/Blessings straight up negate Asaph.

Scenario:

Asaph RA
Asaph plays Blessings
Asaph plays a music enhancement that CBP
An evil enhancement interrupts the last enhancement

That evil enhancement has interrupted a music enhancement played by Asaph. Asaph's SA says that music enhancements played by Asaph CBN by evil cards. So, Asaph's music enhencement is being interrupted by an evil card, which is not possible. That is indirect negation of CBN.

You simply cannot directly or indirectly negate a CBN/CBI/CBP-granting ability under any circumstance.

Lydia says "Lydia cannot be taken prisoner" yet if you negate her special ability you can then capture her. Is that doing something that "is not possible"? I see no difference with your example. The whole point of negate is to reverse (or prevent) things that cards say to do (or can't be done, in the case of some abilities).

I think this is a faulty conclusion of the LS thread.

How exactly is this "faulty"? The CBP LS says "cannot be prevented by a good card" and it can itself be negated by the FBTN LS (a non-good card). How is that any different than extrapolating it to Asaph who says "cannot be negated by an evil card" and can himself be negated by Magnificat (a non-evil card). I really don't see where you think we've made an incorrect logical step.

That's fine and dandy, but Asaph doesn't grant cbn status, he grants "cbn by evil cards" status. It's not the same thing.

The distinction is on the cards.... "Cannot be negated" is not the same ability as "cannot be negated by evil cards" so I don't understand why you're treating them as exactly the same.