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Is michael CBN?

one of my greatest frustrations in redemption. Yes. Michael's ability is inherently CBN.

Enhancements he uses are CBN

abilities that grant CBN status are inherently CBN. So Michael himself is also CBN.

Just to confirm, yes, Michael's ability, along with all other abilities that grant CBN status to another card, are, themselves, CBN.

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Quote from: Chronic Apathy on February 04, 2012, 10:22:22 PM

Just to confirm, yes, Michael's ability, along with all other abilities that grant CBN status to another card, are, themselves, CBN.

I remember a little while back that there was some disagreement over whether CBP/CBI are also inherently CBN. Was there ever any closure on that?

CBP can be interrupted and then prevented, but can not be outright prevented. CBI can never be interrupted, only prevented.

So if enhancements played by my hero cannot be prevented, and my opponent blocks with KoT, then an enhancement I play is now prevented?

Correct...it is interrupted and prevented by kot

FYI, conditional Cannot be Negated cards are conditionally CBN. So if something says "Enhancements used by __ are CBN by an evil card", it can be negated by a neutral or good card, (that is, you can negate the "Enhancements used by ___ are CBN by an evil card", [as well as the enhancements themselves.])

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on February 04, 2012, 10:40:07 PM

So if enhancements played by my hero cannot be prevented, and my opponent blocks with KoT, then an enhancement I play is now prevented?

Correct...it is interrupted and prevented by kot

I disagree with this, and I believe it would be an incorrect ruling. The whole idea of CBP was to get through FBTN.

FYI, conditional Cannot be Negated cards are conditionally CBN. So if something says "Enhancements used by __ are CBN by an evil card", it can be negated by a neutral or good card, (that is, you can negate the "Enhancements used by ___ are CBN by an evil card", [as well as the enhancements themselves.])

This is what I was trying to remember. Was this the final ruling?

Quote from: adotson85 on February 04, 2012, 11:12:16 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on February 04, 2012, 10:40:07 PM

So if enhancements played by my hero cannot be prevented, and my opponent blocks with KoT, then an enhancement I play is now prevented?

Correct...it is interrupted and prevented by kot

I disagree with this, and I believe it would be an incorrect ruling. The whole idea of CBP was to get through FBTN.

lp is correct.

As KOT's ability only activates once I believe that enhancements already in battle are negated, but since the later enhancements cannot be prevented they still work.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 05, 2012, 12:18:36 AM

FYI, conditional Cannot be Negated cards are conditionally CBN. So if something says "Enhancements used by __ are CBN by an evil card", it can be negated by a neutral or good card, (that is, you can negate the "Enhancements used by ___ are CBN by an evil card", [as well as the enhancements themselves.])

This is what I was trying to remember. Was this the final ruling?

I'm almost positive it was. To avoid loops, status of cards cannot change. Once a CBP, always a CBP.

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A cannot be prevented ability can be interrupted. Once interrupted, it can then be prevented.

From the REG. This means that if I have a hero that makes enhancements CBP, King of Tyrus should be able to stop me, because he's interrupting that ability. On the other hand, Covenant of Death wouldn't stop me, because it's trying to prevent that ability, and cannot, as per that section of the REG.

At one time I would have agreed with you, but apparently CBP means cannot be stopped before hand, and CBI means cannot be stopped afterward. Since interrupts are an instant ability, only the prevent part of KoT's ability is on going. He interrupts and prevents everything before he enters battle, and prevents everything afterward.

FYI, conditional Cannot be Negated cards are conditionally CBN. So if something says "Enhancements used by __ are CBN by an evil card", it can be negated by a neutral or good card, (that is, you can negate the "Enhancements used by ___ are CBN by an evil card", [as well as the enhancements themselves.])

This is what I was trying to remember. Was this the final ruling?
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Found it.

I think your logic is flawed, and is the main reason I have the problem with negate working as an "interrupt and prevent" ability.

"Cannot be prevented" means that the special ability activates when the card is played, regardless of any negate or prevent ability that is already affecting battle.

It's very simple:
CBN...CBN...CBN...CBN, all day, all the time.
CBP...CBP...CBP...CBP, all day, all the time.
CBI...CBI...CBI...CBI, all day, all the time.

KoT blocks. I play Counsel of Abigail which can not be prevented by an evil card. It works. I RA. I am blocked by an EC. I play Counsel of Abigail, he plays Lurking to band in KoT. Counsel of Abigail does not work.
Negate means interrupt and prevent.
Interrupt is an instant ability.
Prevent is on going.
Any BTN character interrupts everything instantly when brought into battle, then prevents anything after this. A CBI enhancement does NOT work against a btn character.
A CBP DOES work against a CBN character.
Michael was made years ago.
Neither his CBN ability, or his enhancements, can NEVER be negated.
If a btn character is in battle and you play an interrupt do something- CBP, then it works.
If a btn character is in a CBI enh doesn't work.
The Rabshekah vs TSA. Rabshekah plays 2k, now TSA's ability is temporarily interrupted. You can now play Stocks on TSA. TSA can play a negate and it WOULD work. Once the negate is played the battle recerts back to btn.
Anything else?