Author Topic: May be used once (Read 3832 times)

SirTimothy · « **on:** November 30, 2010, 05:29:14 PM »

If Jephthah attacks and uses his special ability and I block with KoT, negating the discards, and Jephthah still survives the battle, can he use his ability again?

If an artifact's special ability may only be used twice, but negated, not discarded can that ability get used more than twice if I had already used it previously

Jephthah (Pa)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Red • Ability: 7 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Once per game, holder may discard any two evil characters in a territory or set-aside area if holder discards the top card from Holder's draw pile. • Play As: Holder may discard the top card from his deck to discard any two Evil Characters in a territory or set-aside area. Limit once per player per game • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Judge, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: Judges 11:11 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Uncommon)

The Silver Trumpets (Pi)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When your Priest has initiative during a rescue attempt, you may band a human O.T. Hero from your territory into battle or interrupt the battle and return your Heroes in battle to hand. May be used twice. • Play As: When your Priest has initiative during a rescue attempt, you may band a human O.T. Hero from your territory or interrupt the battle, withdraw your Heroes, and return them to hand. May be used twice. • Identifiers: OT, Tabernacle Item, Temple Item • Verse: Numbers 10:2 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Cousin It · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2010, 06:03:26 PM »

If the ability was negated, it wasn't actually used. So yes, you could use them again.

The Warrior · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2010, 07:45:15 PM »

~~uncorrect ut wus used but the use wus nut useful~~

The M · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2010, 07:47:45 PM »

You used it, it was just negated.

The ability was sent out but was ineffective.

The Schaef · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2010, 07:55:17 PM »

If the ability was negated, you can try again later.

SirTimothy · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2010, 09:04:37 PM »

So I can use silver trumpets once in my tabernacle, then attack with Eleazar, son of Aaron, negate and flip over my trumpets, and next turn use them again?

SirTimothy · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2010, 09:06:34 PM »

Ark of the Covenant??

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2010, 10:04:35 PM »

I would say yes. I like your thinking. You negate the part that specifies it can only be used twice, so it resets. Not sure on that though.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2010, 10:11:44 PM »

I would say no. You cannot negate the "use" from a previous turn. You can negate the current use, in which case you are not really using it. Once it is used a second time, and not negated, it is discarded.

The Schaef · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2010, 10:12:04 PM »

Quote from: SirTimothy on November 30, 2010, 09:04:37 PM

So I can use silver trumpets once in my tabernacle, then attack with Eleazar, son of Aaron, negate and flip over my trumpets, and next turn use them again?

Well, if you haven't banded or withdrawn any Heroes, then you haven't really used the card, have you?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2010, 10:36:11 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 30, 2010, 10:11:44 PM

I would say no. You cannot negate the "use" from a previous turn. You can negate the current use, in which case you are not really using it. Once it is used a second time, and not negated, it is discarded.

Shuffling it resets it. Why would it be different?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #11 on:** November 30, 2010, 10:54:38 PM »

Because cards reset in deck by game rule. Cards to not reset by being deactivated by game rule (fortunately).

SirTimothy · « **Reply #12 on:** November 30, 2010, 11:15:04 PM »

What would happen If HoH is on your art pile and Lampstand is on tabernacle, then I attack with Eleazar, but his negate is negated. Would Lampstand's effect still happen during the turn in addition to the new artifact's ability?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2010, 11:29:53 PM »

Post abilities plz.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2010, 11:30:28 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 30, 2010, 10:54:38 PM

Because cards reset in deck by game rule. Cards to not reset by being deactivated by game rule (fortunately).

But you aren't just deactivating it. You're negating it, thus negating the "May be used twice" and resetting it.

Quote from: SirTimothy on November 30, 2010, 11:15:04 PM

What would happen If HoH is on your art pile and Lampy is on tabernacle, then I attack with Eleazar, but his negate is negated. Would Lampy's effect still happen during the turn in addition to the new artifact's ability?

Yes.

The Schaef · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2010, 01:32:02 AM »

That doesn't make sense. If I used the card the first time two turns ago, and then I negate its activation this turn, it doesn't cancel the fact that I used it once before. You can't negate the use of abilities on previous turns.

SirTimothy · « **Reply #16 on:** December 01, 2010, 05:19:47 PM »

Eleazar, son of Aaron (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 8 / 9 • Class: None • Special Ability: Heal a Hero in play. When a blocker is presented, you may activate a different Artifact in your Tabernacle. Negate previous Artifact. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Tabernacle High Priest (House of Eleazar) • Verse: Leviticus 10:6 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)

Holy of Holies (Pi)
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Prevent all interrupt, prevent, and negate abilities on Characters. Cannot be negated during the battle phase. • Identifiers: OT, Tabernacle Item, Temple Item • Verse: I Kings 8:6 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Common)

The Tabernacle (Pi)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Glory of the Lord protects this card and its contents. If you have Solomon’s Temple in play, discard this card (regardless of protection) and transfer its contents to Solomon’s Temple. • Play As: Glory of the Lord protects this card and its contents. If you have Solomon’s Temple in play, discard this card (regardless of protection) and exchange it and place its contents in Solomon’s Temple. Solomon's Temple may hold one active Tabernacle Artifact. • Identifiers: Play to territory. • Verse: Exodus 40:34 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #17 on:** December 01, 2010, 11:47:41 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on December 01, 2010, 01:32:02 AM

That doesn't make sense. If I used the card the first time two turns ago, and then I negate its activation this turn, it doesn't cancel the fact that I used it once before. You can't negate the use of abilities on previous turns.

Then shuffling shouldn't either.

The Schaef · « **Reply #18 on:** December 01, 2010, 11:51:42 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 01, 2010, 11:47:41 PM

Then shuffling shouldn't either.

Why?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #19 on:** December 02, 2010, 12:00:52 AM »

Quote from: The Schaef on December 01, 2010, 11:51:42 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 01, 2010, 11:47:41 PM
Then shuffling shouldn't either.

Why?

Quote from: The Schaef on December 01, 2010, 01:32:02 AM

It doesn't cancel the fact that I used it once before.

For consistency. The logic should apply to both.

The Schaef · « **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2010, 12:07:22 AM »

Tell me again why negating an effect and resetting a card all the way to its face value are supposed to be treated the same?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #21 on:** December 02, 2010, 12:09:01 AM »

Shuffling resets it to face value. Why? That's my question. How is it any different then negating it? It doesn't change the fact that it was already used once, just like shuffling a character in doesn't change the fact it has already entered battle.

The Guardian · « **Reply #22 on:** December 02, 2010, 12:56:25 AM »

You're asking why shuffling a card does not have the same effect as negating it? Maybe cuz they're two completely different things?

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #23 on:** December 02, 2010, 01:03:43 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 02, 2010, 12:09:01 AM

It doesn't change the fact that it was already used once, just like shuffling a character in doesn't change the fact it has already entered battle.

The Guardian · « **Reply #24 on:** December 02, 2010, 01:09:54 AM »

I'm still not sure what you think is inconsistent. Can you give me a game scenario involving actual cards?

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