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Shuffling resets it to face value. Why? That's my question. How is it any different then negating it? It doesn't change the fact that it was already used once, just like shuffling a character in doesn't change the fact it has already entered battle.

You're jumping the fence here, which is causing a stir. You were not debating that shuffle and negate are the same. You were trying to make sense of what Schaef was saying. Perhaps his explanation just doesn't catch for you.

The sentence "May be used twice" activated at the same time the artifact first activated. That turn ended. "May be used twice" can now not be negated, because it activated on a previous turn. The second use was then tried, but negated. You can not negate the "May be used twice," but you can negate the second use. Of course, if it is an instant ability, the artifact is supposed to be immediately discarded, so it should be hard to target for a negate.

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 02, 2010, 01:03:43 AM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on December 02, 2010, 12:09:01 AM

It doesn't change the fact that it was already used once, just like shuffling a character in doesn't change the fact it has already entered battle.

I can see why you would think that's inconsistent, but it works differently. Used X per game and enter battle once per turn start out similar in that there's some sort of table memory keeping track of it, but since they're different rulings on different abilities they don't work exactly the same. Used X per game is "remembered" by the game. Characters entering battle are "remembered" by the turn for every instance of a unique character or generic character who remains in play. Used X (not per game) is "remembered" by the card, and resets when the card is shuffled or returned to hand. That make more sense?

Yes, thank  you.

I can see why you would think that's inconsistent, but it works differently. Used X per game and enter battle once per turn start out similar in that there's some sort of table memory keeping track of it, but since they're different rulings on different abilities they don't work exactly the same. Used X per game is "remembered" by the game. Characters entering battle are "remembered" by the turn for every instance of a unique character or generic character who remains in play. Used X (not per game) is "remembered" by the card, and resets when the card is shuffled or returned to hand. That make more sense?

That is where I thought the confusion came from, but didn't know quite the best way to explain it, nice job Pol.

Was there a ruling on banding in multiple generic characters in a turn?  If it gets shuffled into deck, can it enter battle again this turn?  If not, is there some limit on how many times you can band in a generic character?  I don't remember seeing any rule on this yet.

I have no ruling back-up but I believe the rule is that you can band in a specific generic character once per battle. For example, if you have 2 Tribal Elders banded and one of them withdraws or is kicked out by an evil ability, you cannot band that particular one back into that same battle. If you had a 3rd Tribal Elder, you could band that one in. However, let's say you have 2 Assyrian Archers banded and one of them gets shuffled during battle. I believe you would be allowed to use Unknown Nation and band in the one in your deck because it reset. However, a unique character can only enter battle once per battle, even if it is shuffled. The reason you can do this for generics (and not uniques) is because of situations like this:
I have 5 Assyrian Archers (T2 deck).
3 are banded in battle.
1 gets shuffled while in battle (Two Bears)
I now have 3 in my deck that I can get with active Unknown Nation, but I have no way of knowing which of the 3 was the one who was in battle once already.

I could be completely wrong, but this is how I've understood characters entering the same battle more than once.

For the obvious reason being many generics can be in battle at the same time. Using a "one entrance per battle" rule for Generics would make Absolom's Soldiers' SA literally useless, among many other obviously wrong things.

Just use your brain here. Generics aren't getting "special treatment." Generics are not the same as uniques, so it would be foolish to expect all rules to apply to them the same way.

They reset to their default state individually in the draw pile.  That is nothing to do with the state of what characters are in battle.