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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #75 on: August 26, 2010, 09:23:53 AM »
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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #76 on: August 26, 2010, 10:45:26 AM »
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I mean no disrespect, and I apologize if anything I've said has come across that way
You quoted one of the most respectful, nicest, generous player in the game and continued to bash his posts. I do not think it is fair, or right to quote someone, write a paragraph after each quote that includes nothing positive, then say I mean no disrespect. C'mon on man. Brian is right, it is not a big deal, I think this whole thing got blown out of proportion, and that this set is a great one. Look at how many good things came out of the set and stop complaining that AoCp doesn't say Matthew on the bottom. You can write it in sharpie for all I care, but constantly arguing and trying to bring up "valid" points as to why it should work is obviously not helping. I think everyone who is saying it should, and trust me I see where you are coming from, but I think they all should let it go. Obviously the PTB are not going to have it, and Matthew will not recur AoCp, so stop trying to argue it.
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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #77 on: August 26, 2010, 10:56:58 AM »
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I think he was speaking out of frustration, and not from the brand of ill intent that warrants a response any harsher than my reply.  Plus this post is from like two or three days ago AND I believe he has removed it himself since then.

The best way to let something go is not to go back and drudge it up a few days later.  I think at this point everyone is at a point where they're content to just leave it be and move on.

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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #78 on: August 26, 2010, 04:37:06 PM »
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I think if anything, these post have helped us to discover the strength (and weakness) of cards with no reference on them. Something I havent really ever considered before. I hope not to see cards with references on them in the future for the sake as Red has stated that this is a biblical game and should point to the ultimate goal of it's source.
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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #79 on: August 26, 2010, 05:09:34 PM »
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Given that I don't think there have been any such cards printed in the last six or seven years, you can probably take that to the bank.

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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #80 on: August 26, 2010, 06:24:29 PM »
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I challenge you to a match of QUICKSCOPING in Modern Warfare 2.

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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2010, 06:26:23 PM »
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delete my significant post but leave stuff like this up? i dont get it.
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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #82 on: August 26, 2010, 06:31:28 PM »
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I challenge you to a match of QUICKSCOPING in Modern Warfare 2.

and miss 90% of the time?

Heck no, my quokscopping skillz are 1006. Upside down.
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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2010, 03:30:35 PM »
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I know I'm late to the party here but I'll give a shot at answering Schaef's question about what has gone unanswered.  It has been said here that those cards have no references and never have had them.  That may be what they want but that comes across as a rule change.  In the Reg update thread under Official Rules, it says

[quoteA few cards do not have verses printed on the text. The following texts have been given to them and will appear in the REG card descriptions:

•Mary's Prophetic Act - John 12:3
•A Child is Born - Luke 2:7
•Water to Wine - John 2:9
•Saul/Paul (as Saul) - Acts 8:3
•Saul/Paul (as Paul) - Acts 13:9
•King Solomon - I Kings 4:1][/quote] 
That certainly sounds like the cards now have official references.
I think there is another line about changing the verse on Seeker of the Lost.

Now I know they said that the verses were just suggestions, not errata and that they will change the Reg (someday) anyway but I hope you can see how this might be misleading.  Everything else I can find in that thread is not a suggestion but an official rule (though some of them have since been officialy changed).  I even thought I remembered some past thread about wanting to correct the past mistakes and have every card have an official reference.  So when I read this thread it came across as people that were not aware of the past ruling assuming that the cards don't have references and they would get rid of any indication otherwise.  So I think people might be frustrated that the rules seem to arbitrarily and randomly change.  It makes it difficult to enjoy working on complex strategies throughout the year if there is no assurance that your effort will matter. 

P.S.  if it really is considered too broken to allow Matthew to recur AoCP then they could simply change the AoCP reference to non-Matthew.  I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of good references for that card.  There are other cards that have different references on different versions.

P.S.S. you could also make a distinction between having a reference and having a reference printed on the card.

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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2010, 03:59:53 PM »
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Now I know they said that the verses were just suggestions, not errata and that they will change the Reg (someday) anyway but I hope you can see how this might be misleading.  Everything else I can find in that thread is not a suggestion but an official rule (though some of them have since been officialy changed).  I even thought I remembered some past thread about wanting to correct the past mistakes and have every card have an official reference.  So when I read this thread it came across as people that were not aware of the past ruling assuming that the cards don't have references and they would get rid of any indication otherwise.  So I think people might be frustrated that the rules seem to arbitrarily and randomly change.  It makes it difficult to enjoy working on complex strategies throughout the year if there is no assurance that your effort will matter. 

P.S.  if it really is considered too broken to allow Matthew to recur AoCP then they could simply change the AoCP reference to non-Matthew.  I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of good references for that card.  There are other cards that have different references on different versions.

P.S.S. you could also make a distinction between having a reference and having a reference printed on the card.

I think at this point it's mostly about the responces people had to this ruling, no one simply asked that it be made an errotta but they complained that it wasn't currently. It's also that the elders do not want to ask Rob to make cards "more playable" as long as they work to some extent. The verses will also be removed in the new REG.

@ P.S. I don't think it's broken, it prevents time-outs and isn't easy to search for when it's on the bottom.

@P.S.S. I think that's a good idea for someone with the power to do so to do.

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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2010, 07:05:12 PM »
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That certainly sounds like the cards now have official references.

Yes, but it has already been made clear that this is not the case, and it has even been said that they will be stricken from the REG if clarity on this point is more important than the educational inclusion of a reference.  It has also been said that these are not - ARE NOT - errata for the cards.

So no, this is NOT a question that has gone unanswered on this thread.  You just don't seem to care for the nature and timing of the answer.

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Re: Matthew Vs AoCP 2
« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2010, 07:19:22 PM »
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