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We have several cards in the game that instruct you to do things with another card that matches. In most cases it's obvious what we mean by matching because there is only one option. But there are a few instances where matching could have more than one meaning. I'll share 3 scenarios, please let us know how you expect these to work.

#1 - John the Apocalyptist (clay/purple) is being banished. You control Heavenly Temple and have both AoCP (purple) and Eternal Inheritance (clay) in hand. Can you discard the 2 Enhancements to Heavenly Temple to save John?

Heavenly Temple

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#2 - You have The Outcasts, King of Tyrus (Wa) (gold) and Judas Iscariot (crimson). Do you meet the unity requirement?

The Outcasts

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#3 - You place your "Humble" Lost Soul in Majestic Heavens. What is the testament of the card you topdeck (OT, NT or only dual testament)? Then, what is the testament of the Lost Soul token you generate (OT, NT or both)?

Majestic Heavens

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Lost Soul "Humble"

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Can you clarify point #3? Are you saying if I generate a N.T. token I have to topdeck a N.T. card?

Quote from: Gabe on March 24, 2019, 12:59:29 PM

#3 - You place your "Humble" Lost Soul in Majestic Heavens. What is the testament of the Lost Soul token you generate (OT, NT or both)? Then, what is the testament of the card you topdeck (OT, NT or only dual testament)?

Going in order of which abilities activate first, you choose what testament you generate based on the testament of the card you topdeck, and you choose which when you first put Humble in the site.

Can you clarify for me why the abilities are linked. The token is controlled by the identifier isn't it?

1. They both match the Hero's brigade, so yes.

2. Both the character's match Outcasts so they meet the unity requirements

3. You can topdeck an N.T. or O.T. soul since they both match the testament on Humble. There's plenty of precedent for a card that counts as two different things to be targetable using only one or part of it's attributes. As for the Soul token, it would have no testament since Majestic Heavens never specifies a testament as an attribute of the token and the rules don't contain any default attributes for a Lost Soul token.

We have several cards in the game that instruct you to do things with another card that matches. In most cases it's obvious what we mean by matching because there is only one option. But there are a few instances where matching could have more than one meaning. I'll share 3 scenarios, please let us know how you expect these to work.

#1 - John the Apocalyptist (clay/purple) is being banished. You control Heavenly Temple and have both AoCP (purple) and Eternal Inheritance (clay) in hand. Can you discard the 2 Enhancements to Heavenly Temple to save John?

Heavenly Temple

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#2 - You have The Outcasts, King of Tyrus (Wa) (gold) and Judas Iscariot (crimson). Do you meet the unity requirement?

The Outcasts

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#3 - You place your "Humble" Lost Soul in Majestic Heavens. What is the testament of the card you topdeck (OT, NT or only dual testament)? Then, what is the testament of the Lost Soul token you generate (OT, NT or both)?

Majestic Heavens

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Lost Soul "Humble"

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3 Tokens

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1 Yes, they both match his brigade.

2 Yes, Again they both match his brigade.

3 I would think the token becomes dual, but you can target any card because they all match the testament of humble for the topdeck.

Since the person asking the question is among the people who would be able to definitely answer it and it's that time of year, I'm just gonna sit here an wait for the reveal that has a "matching" tag that can be interpreted multiple ways. Unless those tokens are actually being printed....

I've always interpreted 1 and 2 as Cnakeeyes. As for 3, Aggie said here that when you place a Humble in Majestic Heavens you can choose the testament for the token, and that the token and the topdecked card can be different testaments.

Since those tokens are full card art, it can only mean they will be one of the Ultra Rares in POC phase 2.

Yes, yes and dual

Since those tokens are full card art, and since there are 3 of them, it can only mean they will be all of the Ultra Rares in POC phase 2.

I think this is what you meant.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Targets ot or nt and token LS becomes both testaments given that humble does not break covet's unity.

Quote from: Gabe on March 24, 2019, 07:46:42 PM

The tokens are just a personal aid and nothing that we plan to formally release. But they do contain a hint of things to come.

Why are the first two cards seemingly denoting positions of meditation more commonly associated with eastern religions. (Yoga, Buddhism, Spiritualism, Mysticism) I am not claiming followers of Christ don't/can't/shouldn't utilize those positions to pray or meditate on the Word to hide it in our hearts as we are instructed. Just curious if there is deeper meaning behind it, maybe tied into "a hint of thing to come"?

Godspeed,
Mike

Good guess, Mike! The silhouettes were only selected to represent a potentially lost figure for the token. There isn’t any meaning beyond that.

Hmmmm... possible future Token Lost Soul cards? I like the idea, but not as Ultra Rares as mentioned above. Although that could've been meant jokingly. I don't think I would even put them in the Rare category either, beings a Token can be anything I choose, the lint in my pocket, a stick figure drawn on a napkin, nickel or plain ol' empty card sleeve. An Uncommon at the most. I just don't see a Token card being a really sought after card when it can already be anything I choose it to be. I do see a possible market for player created Token cards. We have a fantastic computer savvy, entrepreneurial Redemption Community. Just my thoughts.

Godspeed,
Mike

We totally agree - with the print on demand service we use and the set size limitations we have, it's doubtful we would print these in the context of a set.

What we would probably do is make them available as PDFs on some of the platforms for Redemption for people to print off themselves

I was totally joking about the LS Tokens being UR. Looks like Master Q caught on to that too, exaggerating it even more with 3 UR Lost Soul tokens.


For more serious feedback though:

1. Yes, as commonly stated
2. Yes, as commonly stated
3. If 1 and 2 above are true, that would require you to be able to topdeck either NT or OT card from reserve (I.e. it would not have to be dual alignment). Otherwise for 1 above you would need to discard two cards that are both clay and purple, and for 2 you would need to have all ECs that are both gold and crimson.

As for the Lost Soul token, since it matches the LS placed in the site and is not dependent on what card is topdecked, then it could be either OT or NT (NOT DUAL ALIGNMENT). First, I believe that is also consistent with numbers one and two above. However, I would compare even more to rulings on conversion.

The rules have stated for a long time that if a convert ability does not specify a brigade, that the default is to the brigade of the card that is doing the conversion. The rules state though that Multi is not a specific brigade and cannot be used. Therefore, when someone is converted from a multi brigade card that does not specify a brigade, the player gets to choose from the brigades on that card.