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Mask of Self Glorification
« on: August 03, 2010, 10:55:24 AM »
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This black enhancements "discards one active artifact".  I noticed that it does not say "negate and discard" like Lying Unto God does.

How does this work in specific situations?  What are some cases where the effect artifact would still work if it is no longer in play?

For example, opponent uses Temple Veil for site access.  By the end of the battle the artifact has been discarded by Mask.  Do the heroes still have access?

Or, Three Nails is active.  I block with a human and play Mask, discarding it.  Can I now band a Demon into the battle?

I'm sure there are a ton of other examples I could think of.  Thanks for helping me understand when an artifact still works when it is no longer in play.

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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2010, 11:00:17 AM »
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I'm not the ruling master, but I had a situation like this where artifacts that are out of play are negated and everything about them has no effect.
so it wouldn't work.

Also, is it true that sammy water jar can't be DONed?
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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 11:04:21 AM »
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I'm not the ruling master, but I had a situation like this where artifacts that are out of play are negated and everything about them has no effect.
so it wouldn't work.

Also, is it true that sammy water jar can't be DONed?


Yes, It's out of play before you can negate / discard it.

This black enhancements "discards one active artifact".  I noticed that it does not say "negate and discard" like Lying Unto God does.

How does this work in specific situations?  What are some cases where the effect artifact would still work if it is no longer in play?

For example, opponent uses Temple Veil for site access.  By the end of the battle the artifact has been discarded by Mask.  Do the heroes still have access?

Or, Three Nails is active.  I block with a human and play Mask, discarding it.  Can I now band a Demon into the battle?

I'm sure there are a ton of other examples I could think of.  Thanks for helping me understand when an artifact still works when it is no longer in play.

Yes to the site acess, because a phase hasn't past for the artifact's effect to fizzle

No, the artifact's effect is still active because a phase hasn't passed yet for it to fizzle.

The only use a card like this really has to negate artifacts is if it was played before battle or is targeting an artifact that another special ability needs to target I.E. An Idol for woshipping demons

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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2010, 11:22:50 AM »
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I'm not the ruling master, but I had a situation like this where artifacts that are out of play are negated and everything about them has no effect.
so it wouldn't work.

Also, is it true that sammy water jar can't be DONed?


Yes, It's out of play before you can negate / discard it.

This black enhancements "discards one active artifact".  I noticed that it does not say "negate and discard" like Lying Unto God does.

How does this work in specific situations?  What are some cases where the effect artifact would still work if it is no longer in play?

For example, opponent uses Temple Veil for site access.  By the end of the battle the artifact has been discarded by Mask.  Do the heroes still have access?

Or, Three Nails is active.  I block with a human and play Mask, discarding it.  Can I now band a Demon into the battle?

I'm sure there are a ton of other examples I could think of.  Thanks for helping me understand when an artifact still works when it is no longer in play.

Yes to the site acess, because a phase hasn't past for the artifact's effect to fizzle

No, the artifact's effect is still active because a phase hasn't passed yet for it to fizzle.

The only use a card like this really has to negate artifacts is if it was played before battle or is targeting an artifact that another special ability needs to target I.E. An Idol for woshipping demons
But of course these artifacts were "played" before battle, because they were activated in a completely different phase.  I'm not understanding your "if played before battle" comment.  Thanks for helping me understand better.  It sure would make a lot more sense to say that the effects are nullified by the artifact no longer being in play unless the artifact says otherwise, like Confusion of Mind or Golden Calf.

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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2010, 11:36:59 AM »
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I meant if you played Mask before battle to discard the artifact.

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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2010, 11:53:51 AM »
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I meant if you played Mask before battle to discard the artifact.

Oh, ok.  Thanks.  It's looking like Mask of Self Glorification is pretty "lame" then :(

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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2010, 12:14:56 PM »
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yeah it basically doesn't help unless they attack with an O.T. hero with Apole active and you discard it...haha!

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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2010, 12:22:52 PM »
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Mask is good against artifacts that discard themselves to do something, otherwise just use LuG.

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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2010, 12:41:45 PM »
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Mask is good against artifacts that discard themselves to do something, otherwise just use LuG.
Thanks, I am using Lying unto God already.  I wanted an additional artifact discard EE in the defense, which happens to be black.  Thanks again for your help.

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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2010, 12:49:35 PM »
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Re: Mask of Self Glorification
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2010, 01:30:53 PM »
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good enough i suppose
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