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Magic Charms S/A Protect your magicians from capture and conversion. You may discard this card from your magician during battle to capture up to two human Heroes. [May be activated on your Magician.]

Raider's Camp S/A If your human evil character captures a hero place it here...

If Magic Charms is activated on my magician, and I use the SA do the captured heroes go to RC?

No, as the artifact is capturing, not the character.  See: Unholy Writ.

well, I realize it is similar to unholy writ... but it is a little different because it is placed on a specific hero.

So If I block with the magician that has MC activated on it, ...still no RC?

  The Artifact does the capturing, not the Evil Character.

An Artifact works the same as if a Fort Captures a hero would it go to RC? no. This is because an outisde source did the capturing not the character who had to have an enhancement placed on him. And you might say that since Magic charms is activated on the EC then why wont it work? The place ability works the same as Z Temple its just anouther place to put the artifact.

I didn't understand those last couple sentences, but it didn't seem to answer my question: in what way is this different than enhancements?

It's an artifact, not an enhancement. There is the difference.

By place I ment that its anouther spot to activate the artifact. "You may discard this card from your magician during battle to capture up to two human Heroes." Its played just the same as Unholy Writ just some where else when its activated.

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 19, 2009, 08:40:49 PM

Raiders' Camp says, "If your human Evil Character captures a Hero..."

Enhancements require ECs to activate, artifacts don't.

Magic Charms requires an EC to use its capture.

Magic Charms S/A Protect your magicians from capture and conversion. You may discard this card from your magician during battle to capture up to two human Heroes. [May be activated on your Magician.]

Yes, it has to be discarded from the Magician to capture.

the magi are magicians?

bonus.

I think that we are entering new territory with this card.

I agree that since the card must be on an EC and used in battle (just like EEs) to capture someone, that the EC is actually doing the capture and thus the people captured would go to Raiders Camp.

can you move it from your artifact pile to a magician? Or does it have to stay wherever you originally played it?

Also, even though the artifact could be placed on a magician it is still the artifact, not the character, which does the capturing which means it does not go into raiders camp.

I'll ask again, how is this different than enhancements?

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 20, 2009, 09:40:52 AM

I'll ask again, how is this different than enhancements?

I agree.  It is not the characters SA that usually captures an opponent, it is an enhancement that is activated on that character.  This is simply an artifact that is activated on that character.

The artifact by itself (in the artifact pile) can't capture.  It needs a character in battle to do it.  Just like an enhancement.

I agree with Prof.  By the definition that you all are using the only characters that could capture heroes are Egyptian Warden and Idolaters because their captures are in thier own SA's.  Now we have been playing that enhancements capture heroes as well and that they work for Raiders camp because they are activated on and EC.  Magic charms HAS to be on a magician for it to work.  If it is on an Evil EC (not the Magi) then it should work for Raiders Camp because the "magic Charms" that the "Magician" was wearing would help the Evil Magician to capture heros.

Plain and simple I dont see how this can be argued any way else.  The capture REQUIRES a Character and  Raiders Camp Requires a human Evil Character.  It works.