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Love + Protection from Conversion
« on: July 14, 2015, 04:08:09 PM »
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If I have Chorazin or Alter of Dagon in play and use Love to heal my N.T. human evil character that was just discarded, does only the "heal" portion of Love's special ability target my character, or would it be converted as well?

Love: Heal and convert your character to a Hero of any brigade. Place on that Hero: While this Hero is in battle, protect characters not in battle from special abilities on evil cards, except banding.

Chorazin: Protect N.T. Evil Characters in your territory from conversion. When a Lost Soul is placed in this Site, you may activate a Curse here for one turn.

Altar of Dagon: (Play-As) All Evil Characters are protected from conversion. Prevents Holy Grail.
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Re: Love + Protection from Conversion
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2015, 04:24:37 PM »
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Altar of Dagon would stop the conversion, but the healing would still work. Chorazin would not stop the conversion because the character is no longer in your territory to be protected.
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Re: Love + Protection from Conversion
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2015, 04:42:30 PM »
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Re: Love + Protection from Conversion
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2015, 04:49:41 PM »
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Altar of Dagon would stop the conversion, but the healing would still work. Chorazin would not stop the conversion because the character is no longer in your territory to be protected.
Given that Altar of Dagon defaults to play I'm curious why the character would be within reach of Altar's protection but not Chorazin's?

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Re: Love + Protection from Conversion
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2015, 06:21:38 PM »
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Altar of Dagon would stop the conversion, but the healing would still work. Chorazin would not stop the conversion because the character is no longer in your territory to be protected.

Altar still cannot protect those out of play, because even though it says "all" it still would default to "all in play" without specifying other areas.  We would also need to determine if the protection can kick in BETWEEN the heal and convert (don't think it can, so I don't think the protection stops the convert).

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Re: Love + Protection from Conversion
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2015, 06:49:46 PM »
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The way I read it is that the "heal" part puts the character being healed into your territory where it comes under the protection of Altar of Dagon. Since Altar of Dagon is constantly active, it is constantly updating what characters it protects. Since the character is now in territory, the convert ability can't target the character.

Is this similar to the Belshazzar's Banquet + Iron Pan ruling? Or was that different because Iron Pan had a "condition" that was constantly updating? Because Altar of Dagon defaults to play and is a protect ability, doesn't it technically have the constantly updating condition, "If an Evil Character is in play, it is protected from conversion."?

If it is similar to BB + Iron Pan, I don't see how it could be ruled that it converts. If it is not similar to BB + Iron Pan, I'd like to know what is different.
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Re: Love + Protection from Conversion
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2015, 06:52:24 PM »
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We're working on hammering out again how these abilities interact, but yes current rulings would indicate that you would see the protection update prior to the convert, if I'm not mistaken.

 


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