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Why does the "and" ruling (you may X and Y means you may X and you may Y) not apply to Love?

If you still have a concern, can you specify what precisely you think Love should/should not do and what ruling you found that is counter to that thought?  I'm unclear from your initial post which ruling you refer to.

Why does the "and" ruling (you may X and Y means you may X and you may Y) not apply to Love?

It does - it just uses the word "must" instead of "may".  "You must X and Y" means "You must X and you must Y".  So for Love, you must Heal and Convert, if you can.

I do think it's stupid that "may," which has nothing to do with with the "x and y" construction changes how otherwise identical wording is played. Yes, it's a consistent rule, and yes, it works, but YMT hit the nail on the head.

"May" makes for optional abilities, without it it is mandatory, I'm really not sure why there is something "stupid" there.

Followup, why are only targets eligible for the healing eligible for the convert?

That was updated in a new comprehensive ruling on Love.

Whether it is optional or mandatory has nothing to do with the "x and Y" construct.

It absolutely does.  If it is mandatory, you must do both.  If it is not, it has been ruled that Redemption wording applies the "may" to each part of the statement.  That is the difference, and that is the rule.

Followup, why are only targets eligible for the healing eligible for the convert?

I do think it's stupid that "may," which has nothing to do with with the "x and y" construction changes how otherwise identical wording is played. Yes, it's a consistent rule, and yes, it works, but YMT hit the nail on the head.

Pol, the elders discussed Love a while back and determined that you do not have to heal in order to convert. You can play Love and only convert. I'm pretty sure this was announced, but I haven't searched for it yet.

Are you just trying to be difficult?

I am not being difficult, merely answering your questions.

Mandatory and optional abilities are different, and I can't help beyond that.  If it is mandatory, you do all of it.  If it is optional, that option applies to each part (depending on the wording).

We have clear rulings on how to handle this situations.

I have said nothing contrary to the fact that this is the way it *is*, but that is the angle you are attacking from.

I only answered your questions.  I'm really not sure what this statement even means.

Pol, the elders discussed Love a while back and determined that you do not have to heal in order to convert. You can play Love and only convert. I'm pretty sure this was announced, but I haven't searched for it yet.

I linked to it in my earlier post.

Abilities in card games do not always follow the normal rules of grammar.

Since we have announced how the grammar works with abilities, we have a consistent ruling.

Sorry that it bothers you, but we have a rule and ruling in place.  As it is not causing any issues with abilities and is not breaking the game, and due to the fact that it is consistent, it will not change.

Are you ever wrong?

Yes, I was the one to give the wrong ruling for Love initially that you disagreed with, and when overruled by the other Elders, I posted the correct one.  That is just one example of a ruling I was wrong on, but I also recently publicly apologized for unacceptable actions on my part.  Sorry, but you're barking up the wrong tree there, I have no problem being wrong (and I am frequently, despite YMT's assertions to the contrary).

If you have a problem with how I handle things, you can bring that to me on a different way on these boards (personally or to other mods), but accusing others here is not how to handle discussions of rulings.

I did, actually.