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I hate side battles!!!!!!
« on: March 25, 2015, 09:04:39 PM »
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Please help,

Israelite archer bands to Ehud and discards Emperor Galba.

The heroes are then blocked by Emperor Tiberous who undecks DoN.

The heroes play Sword against sword to do a side battle, and they choose Ishbibenob to fight Tiberous.

Bringing Fear: if used by a philistine, negate all special abilities on characters and good enhancements.  Cannot be negated.

Tiberous then plays expelling the Jews: If used by a roman emperor interrupt the battle and return all human heroes in battle to territory.

So two questions:

When bringing fear is played does DoN go back to hand

Also, when expelling the Jews is played what happens to the battle then?

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Re: I hate side battles!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 09:14:23 PM »
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If Tiberius plays Expelling the Jews in the side battle nothing happens - 'In battle' only refers to the current battle - As there are no heroes in his current battle there are no targets for Expelling the Jews.

If Ishbibenob plays Bringing Fear then yes DoN goes back to hand.
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Re: I hate side battles!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 09:15:33 PM »
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1.  DoN goes back to hand.
2.  EtJ does not target heroes in the original battle.  The side battle continues.

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Re: I hate side battles!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 09:31:35 PM »
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Side battles are fun :D  And I figure others are going to post before I'm done, BUT I DON'T CARE I LOVE THESE POSTS!  DETAILS INCOMING!



Okay, first, I'm going to link to each card in the Wiki so that people can see all abilities.

Main battle:
Israelite Archer enters battle, discards Emperor Galba from territory.  He then bands to Ehud (assumed version), which I can only assume targets Emperor Tiberius since you have choose the blocker, but doing so while having Destruction of Nehushtan in hand...

But that's beside the point.

Anyway, Tiberius now underdecks DoN.  The Heroes are losing, and they play Sword against Sword.  Now, here is where we hit a fork...who played Sword?  Scenario 1 has it played on Ehud, since that's the smart choice.  Scenario 2 has it played on Archer, since that is technically legal but wrong on so many levels.

Scenario 1 - Sword played on Ehud
Why does this matter?  Ehud is a Judges Hero, so Sword is CBN.  We'll see why this is important later.

In any case, the attacker chooses their champion in Ishbibenob (the only version that can play Black), and they control Ishy.  The opponent, since they controlled Tiberius in the main battle, controls him in the side battle.  Inexplicably, the defender passes initiative instead of playing the enhancement to be discussed later (attacker added cards to battle last, so it is defenders initiative in stalemate).

But okay, now, the attacker holding Ishy plays Bringing Fear, whose ability is above.  Now, this cannot negate a Choose the Blocker by Ehud done pre-block, if this was done, so that is a moot point.  However, this immediately does the following:
1. Negates Archer
    a) Kicks Ehud out of battle.
    b) Brings Galba back to territory.
2. Negates Ishbibenob
    a) If he discarded someone, they are back.
3. Negates Tiberius
    a) DoN immediately returns to hand.

Now, in this scenario, the wise attacker (who is negating his stuff too) had played Sword on Ehud, so it is CBN and the side battle is not negated.  But, Tiberius responds with Expelling the Jews, which give him good numbers (10/17) to bring a stalemate against Ishy + Fear (11/15).  He does not, however, return any Heroes.  Expelling specifies "in battle" which is the current battle, so it just gives numbers.  It would have to say Field of Battle otherwise.

If nothing else is played, side battle ends in stalemate, Ishy returns to territory, Tiberius goes back to the main battle where he is beating up on a lonely Archer.

Scenario 2 - ...why did this happen?!

In this scenario, we start with "wise attacker" above, but replace that with "whoopsie."  Sword is not CBN, and thus the side battle is immediately negated.  Fear is CBN, and it cannot cascade-negate itself anyways, so we end up with this still:
1. Negates Archer
    a) Kicks Ehud out of battle.
    b) Brings Galba back to territory.
2. Negates Ishbibenob
    a) If he discarded someone, they are back.
3. Negates Tiberius
    a) DoN immediately returns to hand.

But IMMEDIATELY the side battle is over (never happened really) and Tiberius is back in battle, beating up on a lonely Archer.  He does not get a chance to play Expelling, unless Archer plays something to pass initiative.


SEE!  I TOLD YOU, FUN!
« Last Edit: March 25, 2015, 09:34:28 PM by Redoubter »

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Re: I hate side battles!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 09:50:19 PM »
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Fun . . . whoa, my head exploded  :). You have to have a smart mind to keep track of all that. No doubt this is fun, I may try it myself, but these can be really confusing. Good explanation Redoubter.
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Re: I hate side battles!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2015, 11:33:53 AM »
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Side battles are fun :D  And I figure others are going to post before I'm done, BUT I DON'T CARE I LOVE THESE POSTS!  DETAILS INCOMING!





Okay, first, I'm going to link to each card in the Wiki so that people can see all abilities.


This is why Crashfach and I hate side battles...lol, but thanks for the layout. I knew it wasn't simple.  :-\ And we did assume Sword was played on Ehud because of CBN. It was a fun battle for sure...just wanted clarity on what is technically supposed to happen. So it turns out we got some of it right, I won't go into detail. Again thanks for the play by play Redoubter.  :D


Mod Edit: Fixed the quote
« Last Edit: March 27, 2015, 12:19:06 PM by browarod »
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