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Title: List of Martyrs?
Post by: emonier on June 23, 2017, 07:04:12 AM

Where can I find a list of all the martyrs?

Thanks

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Jeremystair on June 23, 2017, 07:34:28 AM

REG

The following characters are considered martyrs in Redemption®: 

Andrew (Ap), Andrew (I), Antipas (RJ), Bartholomew (Nathaniel) (Ap), Bartholomew (Di), Faithful Witness (RJ), James, Son of Zebedee (Ap), James, Son of Zebedee (H), James (I), James (half-brother of Jesus (Ap), James, Leader in Jerusalem (PC), Justice Seekers (RJ), Justin Martyr (RJ), Mark (L), Mark (UL), Mark (D), Mark (EC), Paul (Ap), Paul (P), Peter (Ap), Peter (I), Peter (EC), Philip (Ap), Philip (Di), Polycarp (RJ), Stephen (Ap), Stephen (EC), Thaddeus (Ap), Thaddeu (Di, Thomas (Ap), Thomas (Di) and The Two Witnesses (RJ)

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: emonier on June 23, 2017, 09:49:40 AM

I checked the REG and it wasn't in there.
Is there a new version out?
Thanks

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: spacy32 on June 23, 2017, 09:52:51 AM

A new one is out

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Gabe on June 23, 2017, 10:14:41 AM

It's in the glossy under M for martyr.

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Jeremystair on June 23, 2017, 11:04:25 AM

https://www.cactusgamedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/REG_PDF_4.1.2.pdf (https://www.cactusgamedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/REG_PDF_4.1.2.pdf)

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: emonier on June 23, 2017, 12:06:57 PM

Oh,
There is a new version out.
Thanks!

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Red on June 23, 2017, 01:18:36 PM

Quote from: Jeremystair on June 23, 2017, 07:34:28 AM

REG

The following characters are considered martyrs in Redemption®: 

Andrew (Ap), Andrew (I), Antipas (RJ), Bartholomew (Nathaniel) (Ap), Bartholomew (Di), Faithful Witness (RJ), James, Son of Zebedee (Ap), James, Son of Zebedee (H), James (I), James (half-brother of Jesus (Ap), James, Leader in Jerusalem (PC), Justice Seekers (RJ), Justin Martyr (RJ), Mark (L), Mark (UL), Mark (D), Mark (EC), Paul (Ap), Paul (P), Peter (Ap), Peter (I), Peter (EC), Philip (Ap), Philip (Di), Polycarp (RJ), Stephen (Ap), Stephen (EC), Thaddeus (Ap), Thaddeu (Di, Thomas (Ap), Thomas (Di) and The Two Witnesses (RJ)

May I respectfully ask why Simon the Zealot is not on this list? Western Church tradition/history states John was the only disciple who didn't die a martyr. Eastern Tradition may dispute, but as a student of church history, western tradition regarding church history is superior.

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Xonathan on June 23, 2017, 01:21:15 PM

Probably because they're some church traditions that don't recognize him as a martyr.

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Red on June 23, 2017, 01:24:04 PM

Quote from: Xonathan on June 23, 2017, 01:21:15 PM

Probably because they're some church traditions that don't recognize him as a martyr.

As a budding church historian, I would say the Catholic tradition is stronger than the Orthodox.

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Xonathan on June 23, 2017, 01:26:33 PM

I don't disagree with you but based off responses from other posts, that's what most elders have been saying about other possible martyrs. They have a definition for what a martyr is for redemption purposes and I'm sure they've examined all the disciples to see if they fit that definition.

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Red on June 23, 2017, 01:27:32 PM

Quote from: Xonathan on June 23, 2017, 01:26:33 PM

I don't disagree with you but based off responses from other posts, that's what most elders have been saying about other possible martyrs. They have a definition for what a martyr is for redemption purposes and I'm sure they've examined all the disciples to see if they fit that definition.

Is said definition posted on the boards?

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Ironisaac on June 23, 2017, 01:29:02 PM

Quote from: Red on June 23, 2017, 01:27:32 PM

Quote from: Xonathan on June 23, 2017, 01:26:33 PM

I don't disagree with you but based off responses from other posts, that's what most elders have been saying about other possible martyrs. They have a definition for what a martyr is for redemption purposes and I'm sure they've examined all the disciples to see if they fit that definition.

Is said definition posted on the boards?

I'm not sure where it is, but the definition was "someone who was killed for their faith in Christ" or something similar to that.

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Xonathan on June 23, 2017, 01:30:54 PM

A complete definition including how many sources you need and how many traditions you need to qualify someone to be a martyr has not been posted.

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Ironisaac on June 23, 2017, 01:32:09 PM

Quote from: Xonathan on June 23, 2017, 01:30:54 PM

A complete definition including how many sources you need and how many traditions you need to qualify someone to be a martyr has not been posted.

I'm pretty sure i remember seeing one at some point. i'll see if i can find it and if i do i'll post it here.

EDIT: nvm, it was just the one from the REG

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: ChristianSoldier on June 23, 2017, 03:22:13 PM

Is Saul/Paul considered a martyr while an Evil Character or is Martyr an alignment specific identifier?

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Xonathan on June 23, 2017, 03:24:48 PM

The list of Martyrs in the Reg include Paul from apostles but not Saul so I think its safe to assume Saul would not be considered a martyr

Title: Re: List of Martyrs?
Post by: Master Q on June 23, 2017, 03:39:26 PM

Martyr would be a Hero-only identifier, like Heretic is to evil characters.